Holy Sh!T what a GREAT MFD Idea
09-10-2005, 07:50 PM
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Ok but i'm still scared to sell something, at least if it was to a neighbour ok it should be easy to fix if one problem occurs but on the other side of the earth...that's why i'm trying to find out a solution.
Anyway i would like to thank you for the attention you paid to this project
Anyway i would like to thank you for the attention you paid to this project
09-10-2005, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Donald
Randy-
did that answer your question?
did that answer your question?
Now I'm wondering what it is that Pierre is developing.
09-10-2005, 08:38 PM
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Ok i'll try to make a digest of whole the stuff.
The initial idea was a simple way to have my music in my car.
- As hardware i was having poor's man means which was a Pentium 266 Mhz and a 4 Gb disk with 64 Mb Ram.
- A used Playstation LCD 5" display.
- An inverter unit from DC to AC.
- Linux
It was looking ugly as this because the screen was not really accurate and heavily tweaked (converted from rgb to vga)
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01851.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01825.jpg
Then i wondered how to gather informations like lambda sensor and display it on screen.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01949.jpg
Found a way to display the average values with a smooth work of the needle
but i let the fine precise display work as well (usefull when trying to make a fine tuning of the engine).
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01945.jpg
After that it's easy to come to the conclusion that a computer aboard could do more and more things.
So i started dreaming about a system which would be able to stop the car anywhere even if the gps signal is defeated...followed by playing with cellular. The main problem was how to make the ordinary cellular communicate with the computer. The reply is here.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/capturesms2.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01840.jpg
After that the gps was becoming mandatory.
Well as i had issues with the cartography and was the system evolved very quickly i decided to drop the first gps system and found out a nice piece of software i bought.
The times were getting harder and harder no more job from past year. Had to find a way to earn a little money to survive and continue my project.
Started dreaming about how nice it would be to make a multimedia computer aboard but with a lot of more features than a simple carputer.
I spent the last cents of the family to buy a nice screen, embedded hardware and started to build a brand new system. I was racing against time which was my worst nightmare and ennemy.
The project made me forget myself and helped me or eased my life as i was busy, no job but just as if had one. (since beginning of 2005 i fortunately found a job)
The first roughs
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b10.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b7.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b8.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b11.jpg
but more i was doing and more it was appealing me to develop more and more things.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b14.jpg
and i added a feature which was a special tool to gather most informations as possible from the ECU and sensors and on the early 944 it's really tough.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01989.jpg
One dedicated unit which is able to gather informations at 20 Khz (20 000 measurements per second, we are very far from ODB abilities)
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b14.jpg
and in the end the monitoring system was born and looks like this today
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b32.jpg
The initial idea was a simple way to have my music in my car.
- As hardware i was having poor's man means which was a Pentium 266 Mhz and a 4 Gb disk with 64 Mb Ram.
- A used Playstation LCD 5" display.
- An inverter unit from DC to AC.
- Linux
It was looking ugly as this because the screen was not really accurate and heavily tweaked (converted from rgb to vga)
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01851.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01825.jpg
Then i wondered how to gather informations like lambda sensor and display it on screen.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01949.jpg
Found a way to display the average values with a smooth work of the needle
but i let the fine precise display work as well (usefull when trying to make a fine tuning of the engine).
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01945.jpg
After that it's easy to come to the conclusion that a computer aboard could do more and more things.
So i started dreaming about a system which would be able to stop the car anywhere even if the gps signal is defeated...followed by playing with cellular. The main problem was how to make the ordinary cellular communicate with the computer. The reply is here.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/capturesms2.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01840.jpg
After that the gps was becoming mandatory.
Well as i had issues with the cartography and was the system evolved very quickly i decided to drop the first gps system and found out a nice piece of software i bought.
The times were getting harder and harder no more job from past year. Had to find a way to earn a little money to survive and continue my project.
Started dreaming about how nice it would be to make a multimedia computer aboard but with a lot of more features than a simple carputer.
I spent the last cents of the family to buy a nice screen, embedded hardware and started to build a brand new system. I was racing against time which was my worst nightmare and ennemy.
The project made me forget myself and helped me or eased my life as i was busy, no job but just as if had one. (since beginning of 2005 i fortunately found a job)
The first roughs
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b10.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b7.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b8.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b11.jpg
but more i was doing and more it was appealing me to develop more and more things.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b14.jpg
and i added a feature which was a special tool to gather most informations as possible from the ECU and sensors and on the early 944 it's really tough.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01989.jpg
One dedicated unit which is able to gather informations at 20 Khz (20 000 measurements per second, we are very far from ODB abilities)
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b14.jpg
and in the end the monitoring system was born and looks like this today
http://www.9xx-cars.com/b32.jpg
Last edited by kraft; 09-10-2005 at 09:07 PM.
09-10-2005, 08:48 PM
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In the end after some sweat, nights, coffee, gallons of coffee it was almost finished for the early 2005.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02695.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02814.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02827.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02820.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02841a.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02845a.jpg
But as i'm looking now for more i'm on the way to add more features. I don't have the time pressure anymore, it's pure pleasure for me to play and develop things around my toy.
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02695.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02814.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02827.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02820.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02841a.jpg
http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc02845a.jpg
But as i'm looking now for more i'm on the way to add more features. I don't have the time pressure anymore, it's pure pleasure for me to play and develop things around my toy.
09-10-2005, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy V
Heck, sorry Donald - I musta missed your answer last March.
Now I'm wondering what it is that Pierre is developing.
Now I'm wondering what it is that Pierre is developing.
That's alright, I figured you were working on a snappy comeback
09-10-2005, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by m21sniper
Fantastic work man, i especially like the auto-brake anti-theft GPS feature.
Very cool.
Very cool.
But the GPS standalone is not enough. The GPS signal may be defeated by trees in forest, parking place like a box or even if towed in a truck then it's finished...but as we have a computer aboard it's not yet completely defeated and can try to give a life sign using cellular communicating last known position using the history logs which are stored in memory.
In addition, the system is waiting silently to stop the car when it is the most secure to do it. In example as waiting for traffic light (which i don't believe a thief would wait for) or even if speed is down as in traffic jam anyway early or later the car will have to reduce speed to turn in a street and hide the car...
09-10-2005, 09:33 PM
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I have been toying with the idea of a mini ITX system as seen on mp3car.com
the motorized screens that replace the head unit are the easiest to implement...
They need to have a regular DIN sized touch screen that has slim DVD slot feed in it... This would be the easiest and possibly cheaper than a $2000 pioneer head unit... youwould get GPS, DVD, MP3, and anything else a PC can do...
LO
the motorized screens that replace the head unit are the easiest to implement...
They need to have a regular DIN sized touch screen that has slim DVD slot feed in it... This would be the easiest and possibly cheaper than a $2000 pioneer head unit... youwould get GPS, DVD, MP3, and anything else a PC can do...
LO
09-10-2005, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lorenolson888
I have been toying with the idea of a mini ITX system as seen on mp3car.com
the motorized screens that replace the head unit are the easiest to implement...
the motorized screens that replace the head unit are the easiest to implement...
09-10-2005, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bd0nalds0n
I had posed a question at Sharktoberfest about the feasability of doing some sort of integrated, touch screen multi-function display in the shark, something like a fighter jet--with digital guage displays that could also be color coded to move from green to yellow to red, to instantly alert the driver to a caution or warning condition (e.g., lean fuel condition, overheating, loss of oil pressure). Such a project is certainly beyond the scope of my abilities.
Then I stumbled across this post as I was directed to the carmp3.com website via the other post talking about GPS systems in a GTS:
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/show...8&page=1&pp=15
I don't know who else would be interested in such a setup, but if the Murf928 kit went from concept to polished production in record time, who wouldn't be interested in such a powerful diagnostic/media center in his/her shark?
I am absolutely awestruck by the evolution and sheer slickness of the interface. If this becomes available and consumer friendly, I will DEFINITELY get it.
Then I stumbled across this post as I was directed to the carmp3.com website via the other post talking about GPS systems in a GTS:
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/show...8&page=1&pp=15
I don't know who else would be interested in such a setup, but if the Murf928 kit went from concept to polished production in record time, who wouldn't be interested in such a powerful diagnostic/media center in his/her shark?
I am absolutely awestruck by the evolution and sheer slickness of the interface. If this becomes available and consumer friendly, I will DEFINITELY get it.
"Kraft" has certainly done a lot of work and come up with a very attractive interface. It should do nearly anything anyone would want. I was faced with about the same situation except my needs centered more around instrumentation than entertainment or GPS. I came up with a solution for me, and it works. I've documented most of what I've found on my web site at:
http://www.performance928.com/cgi-bi...ss_parent=1128
Someone may find this information useful. One thing I found is that once you get the car computer and the ability to interface with the car through analog and digital input/output, then anything is possible.
Louis Ott
09-11-2005, 05:40 AM
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Fixed or motorized screen is not a problem, and i would say this is the last and easiest thing about which you can think about. The main problem is the content in other words what will be displayed, what will be the tasks you would like the system do.
Many people are doing the mistake to build an itx and simply put a windows in it.
Who ever tried to drive an play with complex commands or tiny icons displayed on screen ?
I believe this one is almost crashed in some tree
That's not a really good calculation.
Here's why
First for any software you put inside you should pay a licence as we are not thieves aren't we ?
Second you can not modify programs as they are executables only without sources.
Third there's no connectivity possibility with other programs for example to integrate them in cooperative mode.
Now the aspect of playing with I/O is easy, the most difficult is to make a harmonization of all the signals converting them before submitting them to the computer interface. You find in a car or any other environment, volts, amperes, ohms.
Volts for the hall effect senders for ignition , millivolts for the Lambda, ohms for the AFM etc..
looks like easy but is it really so easy ? (for the early 944 there's no way to pull all the informations out of the ecu which is my case, that's not true with the 928 of course where pulling informations is easier)
Now that we have all the signals entered inside the computer it's time to translate them in a way that we humans can understand. The constraint is that it must not be decoyed in any way and we want to follow events in real time. Again playing with linux is the good choice as it's possible to define priorities for the programs and let the measurments be done before anything else is executed.
All this to say that if you should get all of what is in the box you should then spend a lot and lot of money to buy all the licences including the voice synthesis. Take a paper and make the following addition.
- 1 itx motherboard
- 1 box for the motherboard
- 1 DC/DC inverter
- 1 hard disk mounted on fluid bearings
- 1 8" screen fixed or motorized (fixed is cheaper)
- 1 windows licence
- 1 visual studio licence (to develop your own prog)
- 1 photo editor licence (for the skins you may want to design)
- 1 voice synthesis of good quality (very near of human voice not the one embedded with w2k) licence
- 1 gps software licence
- 1 gps receiver
- 1 gprs modem (or a cellular phone with gprs)
- 1 interface to the cellular in cse you have not bluetooth
- 1 bluetooth sdk licence
- 1 mp3 licence
- 1 dvd licence
- 1 high performance (20 Khz) converting unit for the I/O (you have to make or buy)
and last but not least
- 1 software able to use all this stuff
Now with linux
you may display 0$ in face of all those costs except the hardware.
make your choice
Many people are doing the mistake to build an itx and simply put a windows in it.
Who ever tried to drive an play with complex commands or tiny icons displayed on screen ?
I believe this one is almost crashed in some tree
That's not a really good calculation.
Here's why
First for any software you put inside you should pay a licence as we are not thieves aren't we ?
Second you can not modify programs as they are executables only without sources.
Third there's no connectivity possibility with other programs for example to integrate them in cooperative mode.
Now the aspect of playing with I/O is easy, the most difficult is to make a harmonization of all the signals converting them before submitting them to the computer interface. You find in a car or any other environment, volts, amperes, ohms.
Volts for the hall effect senders for ignition , millivolts for the Lambda, ohms for the AFM etc..
looks like easy but is it really so easy ? (for the early 944 there's no way to pull all the informations out of the ecu which is my case, that's not true with the 928 of course where pulling informations is easier)
Now that we have all the signals entered inside the computer it's time to translate them in a way that we humans can understand. The constraint is that it must not be decoyed in any way and we want to follow events in real time. Again playing with linux is the good choice as it's possible to define priorities for the programs and let the measurments be done before anything else is executed.
All this to say that if you should get all of what is in the box you should then spend a lot and lot of money to buy all the licences including the voice synthesis. Take a paper and make the following addition.
- 1 itx motherboard
- 1 box for the motherboard
- 1 DC/DC inverter
- 1 hard disk mounted on fluid bearings
- 1 8" screen fixed or motorized (fixed is cheaper)
- 1 windows licence
- 1 visual studio licence (to develop your own prog)
- 1 photo editor licence (for the skins you may want to design)
- 1 voice synthesis of good quality (very near of human voice not the one embedded with w2k) licence
- 1 gps software licence
- 1 gps receiver
- 1 gprs modem (or a cellular phone with gprs)
- 1 interface to the cellular in cse you have not bluetooth
- 1 bluetooth sdk licence
- 1 mp3 licence
- 1 dvd licence
- 1 high performance (20 Khz) converting unit for the I/O (you have to make or buy)
and last but not least
- 1 software able to use all this stuff
Now with linux
you may display 0$ in face of all those costs except the hardware.
make your choice
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09-11-2005, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by m21sniper
When you gonna bring this system to market, and do you have you any idea what the pricing will be like?
Thanx.
Thanx.
09-11-2005, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Louie928
http://www.performance928.com/cgi-bi...ss_parent=1128
Someone may find this information useful. One thing I found is that once you get the car computer and the ability to interface with the car through analog and digital input/output, then anything is possible.
Louis Ott
Someone may find this information useful. One thing I found is that once you get the car computer and the ability to interface with the car through analog and digital input/output, then anything is possible.
Louis Ott
the same thing i did but for the early 944 with a no cooperative ecu which requires some more work http://www.9xx-cars.com/dsc01989.jpg but which is fortunately faster than ODB