928 vs. powers that be: 0-1; a sad tale
11-25-2004 | 02:24 PM
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It's hard to see the extent of the damage from the pic. To me it looks like that sheet metal could be massaged without having to replace the entire quarter panel. Sorry to here about your trouble.
Dude I can see it well and thats a Marine Corps crease! Unfortunately, there is no massaging that baby.
11-25-2004 | 02:31 PM
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Well, actually there are some pretty big-time paint gouges on the underside of the rear bumper cover of my car. Happened in transit from good old Daniel Schmitt & Co. I'll get 'em fixed when I can afford it. I guess it's just two different approaches. To each his own.
11-25-2004 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by K2S
Allow me to vent a little bit, this is too incredible! When I got my S4 just 7 months back, it had been kept by its original owner (brother to the only female minister here) in absolute original and pristine condition. It has all from shipping papers, window sticker, 30 service stamps, unused tool/spare kit, the lot.
Well, while I was on leave a few weeks back, a darn pick-up reverses into the rear quarter panel of my 928 while it was parked under a cover in my driveway!
As it happened, my maid eyewitnessed the mishap, which by chanse was done by someone I know (I did not say it was my employer ok).
So stupid me played mr nice guy and the first point I violated was not to call the police - a must in any sort of accident in this country, no matter how small. Then I violated the second rule of not moving the car (also the law) - yes I drove it to the dealer straight away for fixing, damn it I couldn't watch it like that another minute. Rather, I attempted to settle it in a gentleman fashion with the party who crashed into it, avoiding him a fine for running away from the scene of an accident and even offering to split the repair cost 50/50.
To cut the story short, since I moved the car and did not involve the police immediately, the powers that be associated to the driver ended up forcing me into an apology in order for me "to avoid further consequences for falsely accusing someone having caused an accident"
, I even saw the darn guys shake hands and laugh 
as I went away. And because they are just that, the powers, I unfortunately stay as a stupid looser in this case.
Where has the honesty gone in this world....?
Well, while I was on leave a few weeks back, a darn pick-up reverses into the rear quarter panel of my 928 while it was parked under a cover in my driveway!
As it happened, my maid eyewitnessed the mishap, which by chanse was done by someone I know (I did not say it was my employer ok). So stupid me played mr nice guy and the first point I violated was not to call the police - a must in any sort of accident in this country, no matter how small. Then I violated the second rule of not moving the car (also the law) - yes I drove it to the dealer straight away for fixing, damn it I couldn't watch it like that another minute. Rather, I attempted to settle it in a gentleman fashion with the party who crashed into it, avoiding him a fine for running away from the scene of an accident and even offering to split the repair cost 50/50.
To cut the story short, since I moved the car and did not involve the police immediately, the powers that be associated to the driver ended up forcing me into an apology in order for me "to avoid further consequences for falsely accusing someone having caused an accident"
, I even saw the darn guys shake hands and laugh as I went away. And because they are just that, the powers, I unfortunately stay as a stupid looser in this case.Where has the honesty gone in this world....?
I infer from your post that you are a foreigner working in the Sultanate. You should know better than anyone that foreign workers in the Middle East have absolutely no standing, privileges or rights when it comes to dealing with Subjects of HM The Sultan -- yes I know what it says in the printed booklets, but you also know what happens in real life there... Your first error was even mentioning this to the person whose car struck yours. That caused him to be cast into a bad light. This is particularly serious when the person who accuses is an Infidel (a person who has not Surrendered). Your question about honesty .. well that's is a western concept. You might consider departing the country as soon as possible since if you have really angered an important person your personal and profession alife will be miserable. When you next leave the country, don't count on your re-entry permit to be an absolute guarantee to return. You may very well return from home leave to find yourself turned around to where-ever you came from and all of your property inside of the Sulanate forfeit. Good luck and Inshallah, of course.
BTDT
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11-25-2004 | 03:34 PM
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The metal, even with the wheelwell folds can be pulled and thumped from behind
by hand to basic shape with only a few small creases but even then it's already beer canned.
there are usually three or more - multiple - creases that join forces to catch the eye.
If you use a dolly even a padded wooden one it's a pretty sure bet that a crack will develope.
Becase time is money and complaints from perfection seeking customers cost time ...
It is generally better to replace the panel. Mig/Tig welding could do the trick or a good body artist could form an insert with back-up repair but the real good body folks are doing reto work for large bucks.
A pisser no matter how you look at it. Shouldn't have happened.
When it did the right thing should have been done.
As to the witness: The maid would be there long after the injured party left country.
And besides being a woman she is considered insignificant in the matters of men over there.
She could easily be barred from entering the compound by the powers that be. Then go home and get her *** beat by an angry husband for bacing a foreiner and losing her job and his income.
If you don't believe it: What do you think would happen if a MAN - foreign devil - with a low-life
female witness doesn't apologize to a MALE national over a matter of HONOR?
His apology to the National was an admission that he, the injured party LIED.
In essence his forced apology in front of the cop was a confession.
So he got crapped on twice and the National has a cop as HIS witness.
To be fair, the same crap happens here in the good old USA.
by hand to basic shape with only a few small creases but even then it's already beer canned.
there are usually three or more - multiple - creases that join forces to catch the eye.
If you use a dolly even a padded wooden one it's a pretty sure bet that a crack will develope.
Becase time is money and complaints from perfection seeking customers cost time ...
It is generally better to replace the panel. Mig/Tig welding could do the trick or a good body artist could form an insert with back-up repair but the real good body folks are doing reto work for large bucks.
A pisser no matter how you look at it. Shouldn't have happened.
When it did the right thing should have been done.
As to the witness: The maid would be there long after the injured party left country.
And besides being a woman she is considered insignificant in the matters of men over there.
She could easily be barred from entering the compound by the powers that be. Then go home and get her *** beat by an angry husband for bacing a foreiner and losing her job and his income.
If you don't believe it: What do you think would happen if a MAN - foreign devil - with a low-life
female witness doesn't apologize to a MALE national over a matter of HONOR?
His apology to the National was an admission that he, the injured party LIED.
In essence his forced apology in front of the cop was a confession.
So he got crapped on twice and the National has a cop as HIS witness.
To be fair, the same crap happens here in the good old USA.
11-25-2004 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CWO4Mann
I infer from your post that you are a foreigner working in the Sultanate. You should know better than anyone that foreign workers in the Middle East have absolutely no standing, privileges or rights when it comes to dealing with Subjects of HM The Sultan -- yes I know what it says in the printed booklets, but you also know what happens in real life there... Your first error was even mentioning this to the person whose car struck yours. That caused him to be cast into a bad light. This is particularly serious when the person who accuses is an Infidel (a person who has not Surrendered). Your question about honesty .. well that's is a western concept. You might consider departing the country as soon as possible since if you have really angered an important person your personal and profession alife will be miserable. When you next leave the country, don't count on your re-entry permit to be an absolute guarantee to return. You may very well return from home leave to find yourself turned around to where-ever you came from and all of your property inside of the Sulanate forfeit. Good luck and Inshallah, of course.
BTDT
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11-25-2004 | 04:48 PM
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I personally like Mr. Struthers' "suggestions". However let me share with everyone what I once heard from a sheriff's deputy in California. Everyone may remember Jeffrey Daumer who had an "appetite" for various body parts of his victims and kept them in his refrigerator for consumption later during the week as the "urge" moved him. Well, this deputy once told me that if there was any justice in this world, Daumer(who was arrested and convicted and sentenced to life) would be killed in prison. Shortly thereafter he was beaten to death in a fight in prison by another convicted killer. The Lord works in strange ways. Take it from me. 
11-25-2004 | 09:01 PM
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K2S,
Truely a sad story; however, the wound to your immaculate 928 is not mortal and can be fixed.
Conversely, the wound to your employer: employee relationship may be 'mortal' - and would have me evaluating it under a very critical light.
The personal elements of trust, honour and honesty can be scored as nonexistant - are they present in the professional relationship? As you've been thinking of these points already, smile and never turn your back until you decide on your future course of action.
Truely a sad story; however, the wound to your immaculate 928 is not mortal and can be fixed.
Conversely, the wound to your employer: employee relationship may be 'mortal' - and would have me evaluating it under a very critical light.
The personal elements of trust, honour and honesty can be scored as nonexistant - are they present in the professional relationship? As you've been thinking of these points already, smile and never turn your back until you decide on your future course of action.
11-25-2004 | 09:39 PM
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Bummer... been there, twice in the past two years with my formally mint 931..first guy "evaded",after backing into me (rear right quarter) caught up with him at a convienience store a few weeks later and almost got myself arrested (people get very upset when they see you suspending someone bigger than you against a wall by their throat) , it was dumb of me, lost my temper which i rarely do. On the upside, he again ran so when the police came, there was no "victim" to lodge a complaint (and the officer was sympathetic.). second was just a few weeks ago, at a funeral no less..not a good day..hit and run(again) resulting in big dent in driver door, no witnesses..niether are fixed yet... 
anyhow, its just not a good idea toplot revenge and such..i was talking to a trooper freind of mine who told me about a guy who maced the ac vents of someones car for "revenge." he had tolock the guy up, he felt bad because the guy really did get burned, but it just wasnt a good way to handle it and the badguy came out ahead..
ive learned to let this stuff go, and have allot of faith in the "what comes around goes around" cycle...it just takes awhile sometimes, but everyone gets whats do them at some point.... i just hope im there to enjoy that when it does happen to the people on my short list..
anyhow, its just not a good idea toplot revenge and such..i was talking to a trooper freind of mine who told me about a guy who maced the ac vents of someones car for "revenge." he had tolock the guy up, he felt bad because the guy really did get burned, but it just wasnt a good way to handle it and the badguy came out ahead..
ive learned to let this stuff go, and have allot of faith in the "what comes around goes around" cycle...it just takes awhile sometimes, but everyone gets whats do them at some point.... i just hope im there to enjoy that when it does happen to the people on my short list..
11-26-2004 | 02:34 AM
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Hi everyone, many thanks for great replies 
, I really appreciate your kind words! However much I like to tuna - fish oil scenario (I have to restrain myself), there is a point - sticking your head out in this part of the world can be mighty unfortunate. It has happened before. And, foreign woman (plus me) vs. local powers.... you loose! Better to take the advice to forget about those guys and move on.
As for the repair the P-dealer told me on Wed they were able to knock out most of the damage and smooth it with some filler (there is also a second sharper dent not shown on the pic; probably from the pick-ups exhaust). Not sure how durable and good it will be - who knows 5 years from now on it cracks and a new panel would indeed be needed. I'll go there on Saturday and see how it looks. Matching with the old acrylic paint might also be an issue.
, I really appreciate your kind words! However much I like to tuna - fish oil scenario (I have to restrain myself), there is a point - sticking your head out in this part of the world can be mighty unfortunate. It has happened before. And, foreign woman (plus me) vs. local powers.... you loose! Better to take the advice to forget about those guys and move on.As for the repair the P-dealer told me on Wed they were able to knock out most of the damage and smooth it with some filler (there is also a second sharper dent not shown on the pic; probably from the pick-ups exhaust). Not sure how durable and good it will be - who knows 5 years from now on it cracks and a new panel would indeed be needed. I'll go there on Saturday and see how it looks. Matching with the old acrylic paint might also be an issue.
11-26-2004 | 12:39 PM
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K2S,
I read your thread and would like to point out like all other people; there are the honest and the dishonest. Not all arabs (I am an arab) are dishonest.
As a rule of thumb in the Arab world, call the police and do not move your car when an accident occurs. That is the law. Like all developing nations, laws will change as the nation progresses.
Imagine yourself as a black man in Brentwood TN (where CW004mann resides) or in Midland TX (where John Struthers resides); what happened to you gives you a taste of what still goes on in "developed nations".
I read your thread and would like to point out like all other people; there are the honest and the dishonest. Not all arabs (I am an arab) are dishonest.
As a rule of thumb in the Arab world, call the police and do not move your car when an accident occurs. That is the law. Like all developing nations, laws will change as the nation progresses.
Imagine yourself as a black man in Brentwood TN (where CW004mann resides) or in Midland TX (where John Struthers resides); what happened to you gives you a taste of what still goes on in "developed nations".
11-26-2004 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubai 94GTS
K2S, Imagine yourself as a black man in Brentwood TN (where CW004mann resides)
Wait, wait wait just one cotton pick'n minute...
I am a Black Man and I have very close friends "Black and White" that live in Brentwood, TN. I am sure my good friend Mr. Branscome in Brentwood would take offense to that.
11-26-2004 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubai 94GTS
K2S,
what happened to you gives you a taste of what still goes on in "developed nations".
what happened to you gives you a taste of what still goes on in "developed nations".
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11-26-2004 | 02:16 PM
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Hi Dubai 94GTS,
I'm not flaming any group here, only the darn a$$holes who dinged my car and made me apologize for it ! Dishonesty can be found everywhere in the world... regardless of nationality! Generally I must say life here in the Sultanate is great, and people here (who's not on my recent shortlist 
) are just great and really friendly.
Did you see our last 928 meet in Oman? Not many 928s left in UAE I believe?
I'm not flaming any group here, only the darn a$$holes who dinged my car and made me apologize for it
! Dishonesty can be found everywhere in the world... regardless of nationality! Generally I must say life here in the Sultanate is great, and people here (who's not on my recent shortlist ) are just great and really friendly.Did you see our last 928 meet in Oman? Not many 928s left in UAE I believe?