bcdavis

Well, if you had a kit to sell, I think the debate would be even more heated...

With the stroker, it comes down to some pretty clear arguments.
Reliability, versus cost.

Then you have the boost camps.
The differences in power, and cost, are not that different.
So there is plenty of room for debate.
Add a turbo kit to the mix, and things will really get brutal.

Which is really stupid, because we should all be supporting all these people
who are making products to make our cars faster...

John..

No, it will get ugly when I build the twin turbo S4 engine...and I'm just crazy enough to do it, but I have to document the 4.5/4.7 setup first! I have cost sheets already set up, but I'm not giving numbers out just yet, at least not formal numbers. Give me somewhat of a break I just got back from vacation this week and I'm up to my neck in my real job. BC, are you married?, if so then you know that your time in the garage must be spent wisely....or else!!!!

GoRideSno

Ouch... looks like I've stirred things up a bit. I really didn't mean to.
That'll teach me to pass along a suggestion in good nature that I recieved from a world-class FI shop. This really dosen't or didn't have to turn into a flame fest then someone makes a rude statment like "but that last comment just ain't right" and given who said it.

Tim,
No secrets here. I've only sold 12 setups. Some were to rennlisters others not. Tony, Doz, Mike, Gary, and Shane are on rennlist a good bit. Pete, Daryl and Chad and Lex are on a little and 3 others not at all. I keep up with them pretty well and know why they have or haven't installed their systems. You are free to start a thread and ask them why they haven't installed their kits.
I kind of wonder why Shane has had your kit for several months and has not installed it. I guess we'll see who's kit he gets on first.
BTW they all paid over $2000 less than what they would have paid for your 4psi system.

And, could you ask Carl to not e-mail people that have bought my systems and say that my systems are not complete and not shipping etc. Must be a lot of profit built into your pricing to warrant paying a middle man.

I don't represent myself as anything I'm not. Everyone knows that my systems were concieved, and developed right here on Rennlist. People can click on my history and see exactly where I got started.
I admit I'm not perfect and don't know everything. Somehow though I still have the quickest car and have yet to blow up a motor though. I'm just lucky I guess.

OHHH another post by Z. If my theory is correct maybe Joe will be getting a system too then. Thx Z!

Are you an engineer Tim?

As far as I know John.. is the only PE here.

Andy K

mspiegle

Yeah, i see it now. I couldn't find the dyno chart the other day, so i didn't get to see how there were 2 different scales. It just looks a little misleading because the torque scale is lower making your torque curve look fatter than it really is.

GoRideSno

Oh forgot to mention Ron aka Styln928, so add one more to the list. He just made the decision today, thx again Z.

Andy K

pman928

I'm pacing myself to install Andy's kit! I am attempting to time the kit install with our California smog check. Andy has been more than responsive and he seemed a little disappointed when I was not in such a hurry to install his kit that I have strategically hidden from my wife in the garage.

Thanks to all you that have been furthering the development of the 928, let's all stay friends and continue to have these great forums to learn from.

Pete

John..

I know all about strategically hiding in the garage! What the heck drives us to make these mods?, I mean look at me, what other schmuck would spend 1/2 his summer on installing two turbos on a 24 year old car? But I guess it is all in the accomplishment upon completing the project!

I need something newer to tinker with, like a more powerful replacement for the internal combustion engine....better quit while I am ahead and not "hiding" in the garage!

pman928

At least you have your health!

Tim Murphy

Unfortunately the guy you had talked to gave you some bad information. The automotive aftermarket tends to have a lot of that going on.
I believe he was referring to what the FI guy said, not you.

I believe Shane said he was going to install yours first. He bought your old setup off your car with the Eaton right? He was going to try to make an install before he went away on location for the summer. Didn't quite have enough time but I think you already knew that.

I hope they paid less than that because I don't offer a 4psi system.


I know nothing about that. My guess is he is giving answers to questions being asked but we will discuss for sure.

Carl is excellent at customer service. I wasn't getting the job done by answering all the questions and Carl offered to help out. Trust me, he doesn't get much for a sale. Carl does it because he enjoys it and he likes talking to other 928 enthusiasts.

I think what you have done is great! I really enjoy reading and hearing about it. I am looking forward to Tony getting his car done because I'm sure it will be pretty awsome. Blau928 should have a hot setup as well.

Now now, lets keep it above the belt. Just think about it, I blew mine up so no one else has to. I learned a lot doing so and have shared with everyone my experiences and theoretical fixes. Oh, and the quickest car thing, you better be relishing the moment because if I were a betting man, I would say those days are limited Of course if we don't beat your times we will keep our mouths shut.

HUH?

Nope, like I said I have 18 years experience in fluid power engineering. I am certified as a Fluid Power Specialist through the National Fluid Power Society and I graduated 4.0 from Milwaukee School of Engineerings' fluid power program. I went to school for mechanical engineering and never finished. Too young and stupid at the time but my career in fluid power has treated me very well.

Wouldn't doubt that, he seems like a very smart guy.

I will apologize for my post, that's not typical of my personality but your response to Z rubbed me into it.

GoRideSno

Tim,
You are a class act. I hereby ask for a truce and appologize for my lack of self restraint.

Get some 1/4th mi times though would you? Then we'll give the world something more exciting to read about. With the power levels you are making your car is probably in the 10sec range.

Andy K

bcdavis

Where is Devek when you need them?

LOL!



I am actually really interested to see what John's TT s4 setup will do.

But I am almost positive it will be more expensive, more complex, and harder to install than a SC kit...

But I still want to see what it will do!

mpesik

Mike

worf928

Andy,
Do you refer to PE in the strictest sense? i.e. those who are licensed Professional Engineers? Or those who have university degrees in one discipline of engineering or another? Or those that practise engineering as a profession?

James-man

bc

Of all of the options out there, John's turbo set up looks most likely to sneak past visual emissions inspections. If his pricing comes in higher than the other guys', then the value of having no on-again off-again comes into the equation.

I too want to see more on his system.

Carl Fausett

Andy - that is not what I said and you have bad information there.
I also do not want to be a part of this pissin' match.

You and I have never met, and I have never seen your kit in a car, either. So I would not be talking about somthing I have no knowledge of. I did ask him some questions so I could learn more.

Here are the clips from the actual email with your customer.

He contacted me looking for parts to complete his installation. He said he had a 85-86 twin screw installation in the works.

I asked him where he got it....

He said "Hey Carl, No mystery, Andy Keel in Redondo Beach CA. has the kit, not complete like murphs but I had no problem obtaining the half dozen parts needed to complete the kit, I tried getting a arm-1 & fuel pressure guage from you guys but they were out of stock. which leads me to a guestion for you. the O2 electrical line running along the drive tunnel that comes out into the fuse box has two connections on my 85 manual shift, one flat with a blue and brown wires to the fuse box, the other is round rubber with a green wire to the fuse box. The three wires to the connections are all black, do you know which line the orange wire of the arm-1 should be taped into. Any help is greatly appreciated. "

I responded "I have no idea. But, I also did not think Andy was shipping kits yet - I heard they were not yet complete.

If I may ask - 1) what did you pay for it? 2) what parts do you have to come up with on your own? 3) how long ago did you buy it? 4) How complete/thorough are the instructions that came with it?

He has not answered back to those questions as yet. Did not think I was doing anything wrong trying to get some factual info from your customer - I hate heresay info. I was asking.... not telling.... so I could get my info straight.

Sorry of I stepped on your toes.