Vilhuer

Maybe I'm reading Austens book wrong but it lists two sets of VIN's for '88 Club Sport's. I think position 13 should be considered as part of sequence number and this makes them different sets. 45001-45070 for ROW and 65001-65062 for USA + CAN. Book also gives 10 + 2 USA as production numbers. ROW numbers are same as known VIN's in http://mapage.noos.fr/928cs/

For '89 Austen gives 40001-41584 for ROW S4+CS and 41585-42488 for ROW S4+GT. Maybe this means that first ROW GT was 41585. Known '89 CS fit inside these number also.

He gives technical data for '89 US GT but it's not mentioned in 60001-61250 VIN listing. There must be mistake in '89 production numbers as they appear same as '88 and do not match VIN numbers.

So far haven't found any mention of SE in book and they obviously aren't included into CS production numbers. What are some of the known SE VIN's? Are they spread inside ROW S4 40001-42287 sequence?

Erkka

1992 928 GTS 5-speed 00410
Oak Green Metallic 22L
Classic Gray MX

928cs

I would really like to know more about the US version of the Club-Sport

I have seen 3 Club-Sport (mines included) so far and know three others press cars from articles and all have power windows and AC.
Only a red CS prototype has no AC to my knowledge but electric windows.

Regarding the SEs, the VIN are spread inside the ROW regular S4 sequence. In fact, at least two have higher VIN than 2287.

My club counts 36 GTs, Euro only:
- 8 1989
- 19 1990
- 8 1991

The oldest 1989 GT is number 1470, the youngest 2382.

The 1989 GT is the best 928 in my mind because this is the best of a CS (engine, suspensions) and a regular S4 (comfort, noise level and the right to chose your options).

A SE is more like a limited edition, all the cars were identical, except for the external color (silver, black, white or red only). This said, the equipment of a SE is very nice (sports seats, no sunroof, full leather dashboard...).

Regards,
Samuel

heinrich

I wonder if manual mechanisms from a 944 could be easily retrofitted, I'd be interested in that.

Flott Leben

Thank you all for your responses. I know opinions and favorites may vary, but the listing of different specifications and modifications has been very helpful.

Now, to just find one that is low-mileage, well-maintained and in excellent physical shape . . .

Jim_H

Flott,

It's amazing how different the basic same 2 cars can feel, depending on options also. My White 91 GT is a great ride but when I bought the 90 GT with the Sport Suspension, WOW! Big difference, tightest car I have ever driven. Buy the car that you like the best ie interior & exterior color. If it's a well maintained low mile car you are going to be happy regardless of year, IMHO.

John Veninger

I wonder how many GT's didn't have the sports suspension? I'm guessing it was always added unless it was specifically ordered to delete it.
Anyone know?

Jim_H

I was surprised the White GT didn't but the Red handled so differently I had to check, greys on the White and reds on the Red.

Dennis K

I started compiling the info on the 90's and 91's when I was looking to buy a 928GT, and continued to do so for insurance reasons after finding one. About 1/4 to a 1/3 of the entries were from an old 928 web registry that no longer exists. The rest I found through ads mainly on ebay, Autotrader.com and cars.com. Anytime a car was advertised with a VIN #, I'd enter all the info available in the ad into my database.

Chuck Z's info about the 89's and GTS's is far more complete and accurate. For example, I never called any of the people listing the ads for further info. I never collected any info on 89 GT's because I knew Chuck was already working on it and I didn't need to duplicate the effort. Interestingly, I found more 91's than 90's on the market.

I just wanted to take a second to say Chuck Z's registry is an amazing labor of love. I can't imagine how much time and effort it has taken to gather, organize and publish all of that info. His registry will help a lot to sustain or increase the values of 928's. Great job!

Chuck Z

Hey Dennis,

Wow, thanks! I do love working on the site, I know the site is not the most professional looking site out there but I'm not the most web savvy webmeister out there either. The site now contains approximately 4,500 pictures of approximately 900 registered cars as well as a good number of 928 pics in other sections of the site.

I do still need to add the rest of the info you sent me on the 90 and 91 GT's. I would also love to have the pictures of the cars we spoke about so I might add them to the entries. Let me know if you still have them and I'll get you an addy so you might snail mail a CD to me.

low miler

I agree, Chucks 928 site is amazing! I, along with many others I'm sure use it on a regular basis when searching for their next shark! In response to the original question posed, I think any of the years mentioned are great in their own way. There seems to be a general favortism of gender regarding responses to this question. If you own an '89, its the best. If you own a '90, its the best. Same goes for '91's.
I'll say this, after having owned roughly 6 of the '89's, 4 of the '90's and 7 of the '91's, I would really have to go on record and say that they're all pretty much the exact same! I think alot of personal feeling of difference between years is sometimes all in the head!
It guess it comes down to a matter of preference. If you don't like airbags, buy an '89. If you like airbags, buy a '90 or '91. I personally would buy the newest model I could afford. Improvements are usually made from year to year and very rarely downgrades, especially on 928's!
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and put in my two cents worth. Honestly, I really don't notice much difference between an '87 5 speed and any year GT. Hell, I've owned enough of them to qualify that statement. For the money, a good low mileage '87 5 speed S4 with limited slip is the most bang for the buck and is within a hair as good as any GT. If you were blindfolded and put in the passenger seat of an '87 and then a '91, I really don't think you could honestly tell the difference! There just isn't enough difference to justify the extra $$$$.
Now, the GTS is a whole different breed! Night and day to any S4 or GT! The difference is felt in the first punch! Hands down worth every extra penny over the S4 or any GT!
Now that is just my opinion, coming from experience of course! I know you'll shoot me down on this one, if you haven't already, but I would take an automatic GTS over any other model 928 available. All of the power you need to overtake any GT, with the comfort and convenience of everyday normal driving!
These of course are my opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of this forum!

ErnestSw

Dennis,
Thanks for the input and respects to you for your pioneering work.
Chuck,
Respects for the fine effort and all the work.
Has anyone tried to get access to Porsche's data base on the GTs? I know that they will give you a "certificate" for $$$s, but I wonder whether it might be possible to do some research as, let's say for instance, the "Official Archivist of the 928 Club of America".
In terms of the GTs, we're looking at 300 vehicles at the most out of the three years.
No competition to Porsche for the $$$s, just raw data on the numbers and whatever else the'll let him/her have.
Seems worth a try if it hasn't already been done.

MikeN

I'm almost thinking it is the other way around. From what I have seen there are many '90-'91 GTs without option 474 or "sport shocks". One thing I don't know is if checking option 474 got you higher rate springs or not, I don't think so, but not sure. My GT has the sport shock option and after looking at the color code of the springs and looking them up in PET, they are the highest rate spring available for that year. Someone with a GT without option 474 might want to check their spring color codes and see what they have.

Begs another question as S4 owners of the same years could check off option 474 also. Did they get higher rate springs making them really an
auto tranny GT suspension wise that is?

Vilhuer

It's unbelievable how messy 928 production number data is almost 10 years after they stopped making them. How many were really made each model & year and what is their VIN range is minimum what I would expect should be common knowledge by now. Even Ferrari records are much better known. Either someone inside factory knows but isn't telling or no one knows anywhere. Sure hope it's former. Any change of 928 Owners Club or some other organization making official query to the factory? This should get more attention than any private individual.

More on two US CS's. It's easy to count correct check bit x for WPOAB092xJS865061 and WPOAB092xJS865062. Is there possibility to find certain car in USA if VIN is known? If there is, bet there's Club Sport hunt already underway.

Erkka

1992 928 GTS 5-speed and very messy
Oak Green Metallic 22L
Classic Gray MX

RAPID944

My GT have brown marked springs and BOGE.

EvilEvo

I really like my GT and its the best 928 I have ever had, but it would be fun to test a GTS with the manual gearbox one day.