JIM BATTLECAT

SEAN IS A GOOD MAN AND FROM WHAT I HAVE READ ABOUT THIS INCIDENT I DO NOT BELIEVE SEAN SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THIS SITE, I MUST STAND WITH ROGER FROM 928RUS ALSO , AS YOU CAN SEE I'M NOT A BIG POSTER JOINED IN 2015 BUT I READ A LOT. YOU HAVE TO SORT OUT THE CRAP FROM THE GOOD AND I ALWAYS RECEIVED GOOD INFO FROM SEAN

dr bob

Doc, I wasn't implying the horse thing, no need for the long face.... (sorry). I spoke with Sean before the restore to make sure it was something he had in mind. He said he'd like the option to continue helping here. P&C continues but with clarified rules and a new sheriff and posse. Hopefully things there won't degenerate to where there needs to be another sweep. I sure hope not anyway.

OD, you need to contact that sheriff directly to discuss your own editing privs and situation. It's not something I have a hand or voice in. Waste no time asking or complaining here please.


JIM BATTLECAT:
NO NEED TO SHOUT! ELBOW OFF THE CAPSLOCK AND we'll still be able to hear you fine. A few posts above yours, I shared that SeanR's member privileges have been restored. Many of us hold Sean in good regard, and it was the combined voices that helped in the restoration process. BTW, welcome to your active voice here in the 928 forum. Hell of a way to have to introduce yourself, but we all appreciate the contribution here. just... inside voice please. Share something about yourself and your 928 in a dedicated thread.



Everybody: I appreciate the show of solidarity regarding Sean, and the continued spirit in the forum. None of this has been fun for anyone. It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be fun.



Bob

JIM BATTLECAT

I'm not politically correct and really do not adhere to the yelling if caps locks are on, you see my eyes are 59 years old and caps are easier for me to see lololol

docmirror

Pretty sure Bob's eyes are older than yours. I know mine are, and I know Roger's are as well. So, if you make a 3rd post in the next 5 years, no caps.

oldfrat

JIm, the simple solution is to hold down your control key and tap your + key enough times that the font size works for you.

Brad

Tony

simple...those that were banned and are contributors to the 928 forum should not be banned from the 928 forum or other marks they contributed to. The offense occurred in OT, thats where the penalty should be. ...id imagine those people could live without the OT stuff...but their contributions here are valued and needed.

simple desired state...so now how is it achieved.

linderpat

Well I've made no bones about it either here or on the new site, for 928 content, I remain committed to this forum. I do not think it is feasible to try to duplicate what is here someplace else. It would take years, and would never be complete. The only truly viable alternative for tech content is 928 Owner's Club, but that is an imperfect vessel (not that they all aren't, including here). There is simply too much history here to walk away from. Nor do I want to. If Dave, Sean and some others do not wish to contribute any longer on the tech side, I certainly respect that. They have every right and reason to leave renny in all its forms for good. I will continue to banter and interact with them elsewhere.

We still have a strong technical base here, and while I may not always be the sharpest tool in the shed (or knife in the drawer? See what I mean!), I think occasionally I do add some value. I know for certain that I extract way more value than I could ever hope to add.

So, I'm done with rennlist OT/P&C - two forums I used to enjoy. The circling jackels can have them. But I will be on this forum as my first stop almost every day, and usually my last. And I'll continue to learn and hopefully help a bit, and hope the lights stay on with this forum.

dr bob

Jim --

There are some settings in your browser that define the text size you see by default. I have a few, um, months on you, and after a couple cataract surgeries I no longer neeed +8 correction. Still keep everything at 150% by default on a 10" tablet 1080p display. 300% magnification on the 4x 32" 4k workstation screens. Big hi-res screens and appropriate settings bring things to lmost life-size texts. Treat yourself to some currrent technology. Plus... you are sending yur text to us, so consider how -we- want to read it.

We're here to help.

dr bob

None of our regular 928 forum members have been banned, as far as I know.

NoVector

Sean definitely had "banned" on his profile the other day--the area where it says "addict", "user", etc. right above the avatar picture. I see it now has "addict" so it looks like he's been reinstated. An audit log of his account would show who did it if anyone wanted to pin the tail on the donkey.

Shawn Stanford

I think a wiki would be a fine idea. The 'How-To' sticky area is kind of heading in that direction. Pelican's 'How-To' section is also somewhat wiki-like. I'm sure there's a programmatic solution to generating a wiki from the years of content here, but it would obviously need at GREAT deal of gleaning and work to make it truly useful.

However, the base problem of sustainability doesn't go away. Server space and web access are not free. The best 'hobbyist' solution would be multiple copies sponsored by various independent entities that are automatically mirrored, and multiple scheduled automatic backups to people's home servers.

Right now today, the most likely and achievable long-term solution would be to form an LLC or non-profit and lease some AWS space, use off-the-shelf wiki/forum software, and charge a small membership fee to cover costs. It could also sell banner ads (non-members only!), and ask for sponsorships from places like 928OC, PCA, and PCNA.

Hmm...

odurandina

It appears through a series of conversation/s, (and i don't believe
Sean had any involvement), he was "unbanned."
i very much wan't RL to succeed.
A lot of regrettable stuff has happened.
i would like to see everything put back like it was
but possibly a mod summit to set down a few clearer guidelines
on respectful debates and less flaming.

ROG100

Sorry I was away over the weekend in Mercedes mode.
So Dr Bob I thank you for your insight. I still do no see any direction from IB - maybe they are just sticking two fingers up at us.
If Sean is reinstated that is positive but what about Worf928 editing privileges?

Speedtoys

This topic needs supervision?

IMHO, that's the root problem.

THEN IB reacted too harshly to it, 100% by acting outside of OT.

I've been guilty of this too, and I am trying..but I'll bet OT is light years worse. I don't think Mod's can fix what's wrong with that..people know whats too far, they choose to go there.

dr bob

SeanR was caught up in a sweep of OT/P&C over some issues that are over my pay grade. He's been reinstated (un-banned) after some prodding by members here. I spoke with him before the un-ban to make sure he wanted to keep his membership here active. He agreed to the un-ban and it was made so in less than 90 minutes. It's done and behind us.

Nothing prevents the OC or any other self-funded group from establishing ANOTHER 928 WIKI. But why? Wikipedia has one already, and they are well funded with a life expectation as great as anything else on these internetz. Several of our related sites, including the OC, RL sponsor Pelican, Former RL owner John D's Reutterwerks, plus faceplace, 6speed, all host 928 forums and groups. IB, the group that owns Rennlist, is financially sound and growing, with no expectation of failure soon. The OC might be the best example of how and why to place your eggs carefully. It was hosted by Stan Shaw for its first several years, then found new footing with a different paid hosting system. If you want to support a second system, donate to the OC to make sure their hosting can continue. RL continues to be the premier 928 forum though. While many of us belong to several or all of the other forums I listed, I don't have the time or inclination to retype my RL posts in other places. As far as setting up a mirror of this forum, you'll quickly run into some legal issues, plus that still depends on this site staying online. There's that annoying chicken and egg deal, where folks participate here because it has the most participation. Best chance to get a good answer is here, either through search or with direct questions. FB has no history or search in the groups, so once stuff scrolls off the page it's tough to find. Wiki's while an intersting archive, are good for folks who know how to look for answers. Good for history but not for answering questions.

Such a summit has happened and the guidelines for OT and P&C are clearly stated in those forums. Amazingly, they are clarifications of terms and policy already part of the Terms of Service agreement we all clicked on to accept when we joined. Basic is that you treat others as you wish to be treated. The rest is some more specific examples of that. It isn't complicated or complex, and should be easily understood by those with the most basic grasp of the language.

Worf's editing privileges were restored fairly quickly. He was swept up in a broad net in OT/P&C, but was quickly identified as one of the good guys, and had his editing abilities restored. Like SeanR, several of us spoke up to get this done quickly, in the middle of a big mess. And yes, that mess was the result of some actions needed in that forum. Many there decided to "test the elasticity of authority" even after several warning actions were tried. Offensive posts were edited to reduce the offensive tone and words. Posts that were deleted had delete messages sent to the poster and also displayed in the forums. No secrets about why something was taken down. It finally reached a breaking point, where it was easier to pick the good out of the catch than try and get to all the bad. A small group was banned, others have had some editing privs limited until they can reach an agreement with the forum mods there on acceptable conduct going forward.

Whether Roger will get a more complete accounting for the actions is up to IB management. I've shared with him directly what I know, and it's the same as what I've shared here. I personally and I'm sure many others have a tremendous respect and appreciation for all that Roger has done for our community. We have others to thank too, as without the ongoing support of all our sponsor/vendors the ownership experience would be financially prohibitive for me anyway.


As previously stated, the deeds and misdeeds in OT and P&C should not have affected the 928 tech forum, but it did via a few of our members here who shared posts there too. We are trying to bring things to normal here as fast and smoothly as we can. Again, if you have something that I or forum mods can help you with here, pleas PM me. Problems with OT or P&C need to be addressed directly with the mods for those forums.


Best regards,


Bob