Oil filler neck
When did they start with the Oil filler neck with the vent on the side, rather than down by the baffle? GTS?
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My 928 GTS has that filler neck but my late 90S4 did not- neither do the 91 S4 models AFAIK.
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The filler neck is listed in PET from 92, but the hose connecting to it from 93...
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Originally Posted by 993turbo
(Post 16518004)
When did they start with the Oil filler neck with the vent on the side, rather than down by the baffle? GTS?
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So, if I fill oil a bit goes into the hose and into the intake...
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Originally Posted by 993turbo
(Post 16518396)
So, if I fill oil a bit goes into the hose and into the intake...
Yours is probably the early one with the hole through the hose attachment wide open. The later version has a tiny hole in it, in order to restrict the amount of oil that can pass through (it also restricts how much air can vent out of the crankcase....that was a terrible idea, too.) Modify a funnel with a long neck that inserts past the opening.....that will fix your immediate problem. |
Originally Posted by GregBBRD
(Post 16518587)
Yup.
Yours is probably the early one with the hole through the hose attachment wide open. The later version has a tiny hole in it, in order to restrict the amount of oil that can pass through (it also restricts how much air can vent out of the crankcase....that was a terrible idea, too.) Make a custom funnel that inserts past the opening.....that will fix your immediate problem. Did a few tests of this. Shocking design. |
Whatever you do do not do what I did 14 years ago when I fitted my S4 motor into the GTS chassis- I converted the breather system into the GTS format so that the motor was visually like a GTS motor- oil consumption increased dramatically!
Then I came up with a modified system and modified the S4 filler neck instead of the GTS filler neck [bad move].-after a few iterations and a subtle suggestion from Tuomo I ended up with my current configuration and it seems to work fine now. |
Originally Posted by FredR
(Post 16518624)
Whatever you do do not do what I did 14 years ago when I fitted my S4 motor into the GTS chassis- I converted the breather system into the GTS format so that the motor was visually like a GTS motor- oil consumption increased dramatically!
Then I came up with a modified system and modified the S4 filler neck instead of the GTS filler neck [bad move].-after a few iterations and a subtle suggestion from Tuomo I ended up with my current configuration and it seems to work fine now. What is your current configuration? |
Originally Posted by 993turbo
(Post 16518639)
What is your current configuration?
Tuomo has a thread where the concept is illustrated. |
Originally Posted by FredR
(Post 16518689)
I have vent pots on all four cam cover positions. I have cross over pipes side to side front and rear. I have a John Kuhn baffle in the filler neck [nothing else] and the underside of the neck is modified to permit a bigger vent. Originally I had a 1 inch pipe to the pro vent separator but the thing was not doing anything oil collection wise so I split that outlet into two smaller return lines back to the breather connections on the side of the throttle boot. The subtle modification was a small line that ties into the rear crossover and vents to the connection at the front of the motor that takes the fuel tank breather back into the inlet tract.
Tuomo has a thread where the concept is illustrated. |
Originally Posted by FredR
(Post 16518689)
I have vent pots on all four cam cover positions. I have cross over pipes side to side front and rear. I have a John Kuhn baffle in the filler neck [nothing else] and the underside of the neck is modified to permit a bigger vent. Originally I had a 1 inch pipe to the pro vent separator but the thing was not doing anything oil collection wise so I split that outlet into two smaller return lines back to the breather connections on the side of the throttle boot. The subtle modification was a small line that ties into the rear crossover and vents to the connection at the front of the motor that takes the fuel tank breather back into the inlet tract.
Tuomo has a thread where the concept is illustrated. |
Originally Posted by 993turbo
(Post 16518591)
Yes, mine is from a 92’ GTS. Wide open.
Did a few tests of this. Shocking design. Porsche did some radical modifications on the '93 ('92/'93) GTS engines to "improve" the breathing/ventilation system....some of which made little or no sense, engineering wise. In 1994/1995, they "corrected" these errors and made changes....which were worse. When you "hang your hat", claiming to be an engineering company that also builds cars, stuff like this should be terribly embarrassing. However, even today, with their current record of constant engine "mistakes" they seem to be content being completely stupid. Apparently, simple logic isn't all that simple, anymore. |
Originally Posted by FredR
(Post 16518689)
I have vent pots on all four cam cover positions. I have cross over pipes side to side front and rear. I have a John Kuhn baffle in the filler neck [nothing else] and the underside of the neck is modified to permit a bigger vent. Originally I had a 1 inch pipe to the pro vent separator but the thing was not doing anything oil collection wise so I split that outlet into two smaller return lines back to the breather connections on the side of the throttle boot. The subtle modification was a small line that ties into the rear crossover and vents to the connection at the front of the motor that takes the fuel tank breather back into the inlet tract.
Tuomo has a thread where the concept is illustrated. |
Originally Posted by NoVector
(Post 16518718)
Is this the thread, Fred? https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post16446359
It seems that engine breathing is a critical concept fundamental to engine design and some engines are clearly more susceptible than others to breathing issues. Have you seen another Vee 8 mass produced vehicle [as opposed to limited run specials] that has a bonnet line as low as the 928? I work on the premise that it is this compactness that causes issues and for whatever reason [$$$?] Porsche just did not fathom out optimal solutions. That folks are fathoming out improvements 30 years down the line says something about the seemingly inadequate nature of the OEM design. The S4 system although far from perfect was sort of acceptable but had a pronounced increase of oil consumption above a certain rpm point - probably 3700 as best I could fathom- most 928's cruise at less than that to remain legal. The GTS system is a basket case plain and simple- it had several iterations and non seemed to work presumably something to do with the very compact crank case design and the ability [or lack of it] to breath effectively with the GTS crank stuffed into it not to mention the impact of a longer stroke and piston to crank clearances. |
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