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Old 02-14-2020 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedtoys
FWIW, Witchhunter is a common name, but...they're doing a somewhat common thing, and no reason it should take so long.

I've had 1-day service from RC down in LA for decades.

https://www.rcfuelinjection.com/Stor...ector-cleaning

I'll come down when yer all ready too.
Yes, and so far they haven't even told me they have the injectors. Apparently they changed physical locations and UPS couldn't find them for a week. Disappointing.

I'm still hopeful they'll confirm receipt of the injectors.

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Old 02-14-2020 | 11:58 PM
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True about the TPS, something I should have done years ago. I expect I can get one here from Pelican before the injectors are done.

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Email roger@928srus and you will have it in 2 business days.
Old 02-15-2020 | 01:42 AM
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Email roger@928srus and you will have it in 2 business days.
Roger and I are very old friends. You're exactly right on this...

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I just chased a very similar condition after R/R of the intake on my 85 and it turns out I forgot to plug in the TPS connector when putting everything back together. Did you replace the TPS during the intake refresh? Either way you should perform the troubleshooting test for it to make sure it's showing idle. What happens when you jump pins B and C in the diagnostic connector?

As for testing for vacuum leaks I just built a homemade smoke machine as part of the adventure above and found no less than 9 spots that were leaking, though the net reduction in idle speed was only ~100 RPM or so, it's nice to know that there's zero unmetered air getting in now. I was thinking of doing a post to document the process when I get a chance, but happy to forward you some details via PM if you'd like.
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I've had this same issue for quite some time, even with a couple intake refreshings. I’d like more details on troubleshooting the TPS and the details of jumping pins B and C on the diagnostics connector.

I've replace both the TPS and the ICV and still have the issue. After the challenges of chasing a vacuum leak under the intake, I really don’t want to pull it again. All help is greatly appreciated.

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Old 02-16-2020 | 01:10 PM
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My experience is with the early 32V engine which has a diagnostic port that is used to bypass the ICV when adjusting idle speed. The S4 engine has no such manual idle adjustment so you just have to go through and verify the working condition of every component in the system that could be the cause ie, throttle not closing properly, vacuum line off of fuel regulator, vacuum leaks, faulty or incorrectly adjusted throttle switch, faulty Temp II sensor or bad LH computer. Happy to send you some details on the smoke tester I built if you are interested.
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I've replace both the TPS and the ICV and still have the issue.
As with the S3 you need to check that the S4 idle switch is adjusted properly so that it closes when then engine is hot.

Has the O2 sensor been replaced?
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Has the O2 sensor been replaced?[/QUOTE]

Yes. I replaced the O2 sensor about a year ago.

I’m wondering if I have the TPS adjusted correctly. I’ll check tomorrow.

thanks.

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Originally Posted by Speedtoys
FWIW, Witchhunter is a common name, but...they're doing a somewhat common thing, and no reason it should take so long.

I've had 1-day service from RC down in LA for decades.

https://www.rcfuelinjection.com/Stor...ector-cleaning

I'll come down when yer all ready too.
You're in Boulder Creek? I'm about 12 miles north of you in Big Basin. That should work well? I'll supply refreshments? Just let me know your preferences?

I don't know if I'll be here long enough to get all the parts in, right now the injectors are the long pole, but I'll keep everyone posted. I may have to go back to Paso soon, I have some ignition parts for my 944 S2 that just came in. The shop there isn't finished yet (no lift) but should be in the next couple months.

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You're in Boulder Creek? I'm about 12 miles north of you in Big Basin. That should work well? I'll supply refreshments? Just let me know your preferences?

I don't know if I'll be here long enough to get all the parts in, right now the injectors are the long pole, but I'll keep everyone posted. I may have to go back to Paso soon, I have some ignition parts for my 944 S2 that just came in. The shop there isn't finished yet (no lift) but should be in the next couple months.

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DT san jose now, just havent updated.

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i made a big difference by loosening the throttle cable. The problem is still there, but I think I can live with it for a while. I just wrestled with a vacuum leak under the intake and am not looking forward to removing the intake the check the TPS. I tried to listen for the click when moving the throttle, but was unable to hear anything. I’m thinking the TPS is out of adjustment, although I was very careful to adjust it properly when the intake was off. Maybe the TPS is bad. Only two years old. Things to ponder.

Is there a test for the TPS?

Please let me know the outcome of your endeavors.

Thanks

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I had done an intake refresh a couple of years ago but didn't do the TPS. I decided to replace the TPS as preventative maintenance so I pull it apart install new TPS. I then get high idle (850-900) like some one just flips a switch either while idling or driving after warmup. I thought it was the ICV that I just replaced so I put another ICV. Still does it. I did smoke and pressure test and all pass. I buy new ICV and new TPS pull apart change both. Still from 650 rpm to 850-900. I pull it apart again and install yet another new TPS and check idle and WOT function with Theo software. All three TPS's work fine as far as clicks and software is concerned. I pull it apart again and install old TPS and now it idles at 650 rpm and I haven't had the problem since and it has been a year. All the new TPS's are Bosch so it's not like bought junk but something is not right with the new ones that purchased. I also had my MAF and LH refurbished to see if that was the problem and it was not.

With all that said I think yours is either TPS or vacuum leak.
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With all that said I think yours is either TPS or vacuum leak.
Yeah, I worry about that. After reading your tribulations I think I'll try the throttle cable tension as you and Ken suggest, then the TPS, then vacuum.

You really have to love these cars to go through this
Old 02-20-2020 | 04:56 PM
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DT san jose now, just havent updated.
Still, not as far as Paso If I can get the parts I'll let you know?

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Well at least the TPS is easier to get to on the S3 than the S4 (that may be the only intake component we can say that about!)
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Originally Posted by zekgb
Well at least the TPS is easier to get to on the S3 than the S4 (that may be the only intake component we can say that about!)
Yes!! Removing intake to get at TPS 5 or so times is excruciatingly painful.


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