928 Academy
05-22-2019, 08:27 PM
#31
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Great idea, would be interested in attending. Being new to the complexities of 928's want to learn as much as possible so i can keep mine on the road. Seems that it would make sense to video all events so the knowledge & experience could be shared.
05-23-2019, 03:42 AM
#32
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Video alwayssounds like a great idea. I have three cameras with different views of my S4 timing belt, including re-do's when I messed something up. More than 30 hours all in, just waiting now for a bunch of years for editing. Who wants to watch eight hours of video to lern how to do a job that "only" takes that long. My first job, the one I recorded, was uneventful. Nothing broke, so no lessons to share with others who may not have a perfect subject car to work on.
I look for a clinic on how to read the electrical diagrams. How to use a DMM for troubleshooting. I teach the troubleshooting side all the time to power plant techs. Much easier than chasing gremlins and leaks in 928 wires. Alan knows his stuff, as does Doc, Sean and Stan. And many others. Standard course materials and tools woud be a great start. Where do we start? Ohms Law? What's the lowest common denominator we teach to?
I look for a clinic on how to read the electrical diagrams. How to use a DMM for troubleshooting. I teach the troubleshooting side all the time to power plant techs. Much easier than chasing gremlins and leaks in 928 wires. Alan knows his stuff, as does Doc, Sean and Stan. And many others. Standard course materials and tools woud be a great start. Where do we start? Ohms Law? What's the lowest common denominator we teach to?
05-23-2019, 09:46 AM
#33
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Sharktuning could be a good one.
05-23-2019, 02:35 PM
#34
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I think we are all in agreement that this is a good idea and it can be done.
Question
# 1: How many days?
# 2 Where?
# 3 Who can we recruit to teach?
Question
# 1: How many days?
# 2 Where?
# 3 Who can we recruit to teach?
05-23-2019, 03:11 PM
#35
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Some random thoughts...
I think the a session need to be discrete and fit into a specific timeframe to complete. Rambling tech sessions are problematic.
Do you want a session on the inner workings of a transmission or do you want to learn a 928 related skill you can use on your car like adjusting the modulator pressure of your 928 automatic?
And then there's the whole model year applicability issue. Do I need to know about CIS if I own an S4?
I believe this is a lot work, but that does not mean it is not a very worthy undertaking.
I know that Kevin Wilson and I would be more than willing to host tech sessions if not even teach at our houses that are lift equipped. And tech session don't have to be located in one location - I kind of like the idea of spreading them them out over multiple locations over a weekend and squeezing in a fun run in the Georgia mountains.
Maybe we need to start with a poll on what we want to be taught? Demand should drive supply.
A proposed tech session should have a minimum and maximum number of prospective attendees to qualify for consideration.
Then we look for volunteers to teach.
Based on the geographical location of the volunteers we match the attendees with the teachers.
I think the a session need to be discrete and fit into a specific timeframe to complete. Rambling tech sessions are problematic.
Do you want a session on the inner workings of a transmission or do you want to learn a 928 related skill you can use on your car like adjusting the modulator pressure of your 928 automatic?
And then there's the whole model year applicability issue. Do I need to know about CIS if I own an S4?
I believe this is a lot work, but that does not mean it is not a very worthy undertaking.
I know that Kevin Wilson and I would be more than willing to host tech sessions if not even teach at our houses that are lift equipped. And tech session don't have to be located in one location - I kind of like the idea of spreading them them out over multiple locations over a weekend and squeezing in a fun run in the Georgia mountains.
Maybe we need to start with a poll on what we want to be taught? Demand should drive supply.
A proposed tech session should have a minimum and maximum number of prospective attendees to qualify for consideration.
Then we look for volunteers to teach.
Based on the geographical location of the volunteers we match the attendees with the teachers.
05-23-2019, 05:12 PM
#36
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Some random thoughts...
I think the a session need to be discrete and fit into a specific timeframe to complete. Rambling tech sessions are problematic. Correct. I think sessions should be a day for most
Do you want a session on the inner workings of a transmission or do you want to learn a 928 related skill you can use on your car like adjusting the modulator pressure of your 928 automatic? Modulator pressure should be a part of the AT overall session which should also involve most of the internals of the AT (pump seals and o rings, K1 valve, B2 valve, and inspection of the bands as well as diagnosis. Maybe have a basic class and advanced class for AT. A separate class for Manual transmissions
And then there's the whole model year applicability issue. Do I need to know about CIS if I own an S4? Each model has it's own peculiarities. CIS sessions should be singular CIS. Basic EFI could include LJet and LH. Advanced EFI would further separate LH from LJet and might include Sharktuning
Maybe we need to start with a poll on what we want to be taught? Demand should drive supply. I agree but newbie wrenches will not know what they don't know.
A proposed tech session should have a minimum and maximum number of prospective attendees to qualify for consideration. Totally agree. No need to have a session and nobody attend.
Then we look for volunteers to teach.
Based on the geographical location of the volunteers we match the attendees with the teachers.
I think the a session need to be discrete and fit into a specific timeframe to complete. Rambling tech sessions are problematic. Correct. I think sessions should be a day for most
Do you want a session on the inner workings of a transmission or do you want to learn a 928 related skill you can use on your car like adjusting the modulator pressure of your 928 automatic? Modulator pressure should be a part of the AT overall session which should also involve most of the internals of the AT (pump seals and o rings, K1 valve, B2 valve, and inspection of the bands as well as diagnosis. Maybe have a basic class and advanced class for AT. A separate class for Manual transmissions
And then there's the whole model year applicability issue. Do I need to know about CIS if I own an S4? Each model has it's own peculiarities. CIS sessions should be singular CIS. Basic EFI could include LJet and LH. Advanced EFI would further separate LH from LJet and might include Sharktuning
Maybe we need to start with a poll on what we want to be taught? Demand should drive supply. I agree but newbie wrenches will not know what they don't know.
A proposed tech session should have a minimum and maximum number of prospective attendees to qualify for consideration. Totally agree. No need to have a session and nobody attend.
Then we look for volunteers to teach.
Based on the geographical location of the volunteers we match the attendees with the teachers.
05-25-2019, 12:18 PM
#37
Three Wheelin'
Van, I'm in for the event planning/management committee. Im an Events Manager by day, so this is in my wheel house.
As far as dates go, Note Porsche Parade is in Palm Springs in 2020 (June I think). So maybe we could piggy back on that event.....
Mark Woudsma
As far as dates go, Note Porsche Parade is in Palm Springs in 2020 (June I think). So maybe we could piggy back on that event.....
Mark Woudsma
05-25-2019, 01:12 PM
#38
Three Wheelin'
The reason for charging a fee is to pay for whatever tents and logistics. Also if an instructor would have to travel to the event I feel that travel and lodging fees should be paid.
I wonder if PCA would endorse it?
I do think we should try and get as many vendors involved.
I wonder if PCA would endorse it?
I do think we should try and get as many vendors involved.
Charging a Fee also ensures commitment by the entrant. If its free, well people flake out.The organizers will require commitment to make this a viable thing.
05-25-2019, 05:44 PM
#39
I know I for one would have loved to have a video reference of the timing belt job, or any long complicated job. Dwayne's write-ups are excellent, but having a video guide from experienced been-there-done-that guys like yourself would be awesome. And it doesn't matter how long, because it is easy to fast forward on sites like YouTube. In fact you can easily create chapters in your videos and place a table of contents at the beginning with links that take you directly to that portion of the video you are needing specific guidance with.
05-25-2019, 06:50 PM
#40
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We've talked about having classes, at my shop, covering specific topics, like early transmission rebuilding, late transmission rebuilding, automatic transmission rebuilding, 16 valve engines, 32 valve engines, Sharktuning, etc. Jerry Woods used to do things like this for the 911 people (maybe he still does.)
There really wasn't "room" at the old shop to be able to do this, but there is certainly room here.
I used to try and do a tech session at every Sharktoberfest, but unfortunately now that this became a one day event, I have not been asked to do this in the last couple of years. Mark Woodsma and I talked about the possibility of turning Sharktoberfest back into a two day event with one day at 928 International and another day, here. Or If Mark Anderson is "burned out" (certainly understandable) about hosting this event, we could move the entire thing here. We have a brand new $80,000 dollar Hunter alignment system and we talked about having an "alignment special" (like Mark's "windshield special"), here.
There really wasn't "room" at the old shop to be able to do this, but there is certainly room here.
I used to try and do a tech session at every Sharktoberfest, but unfortunately now that this became a one day event, I have not been asked to do this in the last couple of years. Mark Woodsma and I talked about the possibility of turning Sharktoberfest back into a two day event with one day at 928 International and another day, here. Or If Mark Anderson is "burned out" (certainly understandable) about hosting this event, we could move the entire thing here. We have a brand new $80,000 dollar Hunter alignment system and we talked about having an "alignment special" (like Mark's "windshield special"), here.
I think this would be a great opportunity to fix Sharktoberfest.
05-26-2019, 05:36 PM
#41
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Maybe we should think of creating a committee to start exploring what we can and cannot do.
