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87 S4 not start...baffled beyond belief.

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Old 03-27-2019 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Koenig928
Yes it failed while cranking. I remember turning the key over to start it, but for whatever reason I didn't engage the starter long enough (which is unusual for me). So I hit the starter a second time and it never fired up, have no doubt that's when the crank ate the teeth at that point. Perhaps there was a bit more pressure/tension/whatever on that driver cam after the missed start, combined with other missing teeth it's possible the timing could have been slightly off, and when the engine 'hiccuped" on the missed start it bent the cam snout, I don't know. I gotta dig more into it.

There was nothing jammed or obstructing the t-belt circuit, but based on what I saw on teardown, I think the sharp edges on the cam and oil gears shortened the t-belt's life rapidly. You can almost cut your finger running it across the gear ridges. Looking closely at the remaining t-belt teeth, almost all of them are at some stage of being cut off. Scary.
In the deep dark past there have been some mentions of a backfire during cranking, then the belt is trashed. Greg can expand on this I'm sure, since I'm pretty sure he explained it to me the first time. The factory tensioner does not like the crank to move in the opposite (counterclockwise) direction. At All. And particularly when there's not a lot of oil in it. When the crank is turned that way, the tensioner is suddenly in the "tension" side rather than the "slack" side of the drive gear. The tensioner is collapsed and feeds the belt up over the crank gear. Then going the other direction again it's pulling on that left side (driver's on US cars) crank gear with the belt functionally too short. You can imagine how that leads directly to the stripped-off teeth (only a couple are actually engaged in the crank gear), plus the effectively shortened belt will try to bend the nose off that cam.



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