Stupid question: Line boring 32V cam bearings
Hello Gentlemen,
I have a random, stupid question: Is it cost effective (relatively speaking) to line bore the cam bearings on a 32V 928 cylinder head? I have been paying attention to the threads on how bad cylinder heads are getting in terms of deck erosion from coolant. Take away is great effort is being expended some times to save cylinder heads. End of 2017, I bought a set of early S3 heads because the deck surfaces were not terribly eroded. Too bad I missed that the engine had suffered oil loss and run dry. The cam bearing surfaces look terrible. Would it be worth even thinking about line boring the cam bearings? I ask because the supply of S3 heads is very finite. I have had the heads for the Red Witch overhauled, but another set of heads is not necessarily a bad thing. Or, am I full of fecal matter and these early S3 heads are door stops... Thanks for your time and advice! |
I would not spend the money on them unless it was absolutely necessary - use/save that money for something with a higher priority.
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Hello Swaybar, thanks for replying! I am not actually doing this. Sorry for not wording my question correctly. I should have asked something to the effect of, “Is it reasonable to think I could save these heads by line boring the cam bearings?” I have the heads, but don’t need them. I already have a bitchin’ set of heads waiting to go back on the short block for the Red Witch. Those cost me enough. I am not spending money on these other heads. I was just curious if they are salvageable or bonafide door stops. Thanks! |
Originally Posted by skpyle
(Post 15638333)
Hello Swaybar, thanks for replying! I am not actually doing this. Sorry for not wording my question correctly. I should have asked something to the effect of, “Is it reasonable to think I could save these heads by line boring the cam bearings?” I have the heads, but don’t need them. I already have a bitchin’ set of heads waiting to go back on the short block for the Red Witch. Those cost me enough. I am not spending money on these other heads. I was just curious if they are salvageable or bonafide door stops. Thanks! |
Originally Posted by 928sg
(Post 15638375)
save them they will be worth something at some point |
Makes sense. They are not eating anything and are not going anywhere. I have the heads wrapped in plastic in storage.
Thanks! |
If you get "hurting" for room....strip the heads. Save the valves, since they are NLA and valuable. Save the lower spring seats, the shims, the retainers, the keepers, and the springs.
Recycle the aluminum head....it's junk. |
S3 cylinder heads in question are here in this thread, starting at Post #42, going to Post #52.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...e-heads-3.html |
Hmm, maybe someone needs to make the heads as well as the block as well.
As to your question of boring, most well equipped automotive machine shops that have Rottler cam boring machines can do them, but the question is what do you do with an overbore cam journal afterwards. There's no provision in the 928 world to accommodate this since the cams don't use bearing inserts. Now you're talking custom cams or bearing inserts.....not worth it on that motor. |
Cut the caps and bore it back to the original size.
Åke |
Catorce, thanks. However, I am a gearhead and not a machinist, so work with me. I should have said 'align boring' instead of 'line boring.' I am envisioning what is done when align boring main caps for the crankshaft on an engine. The faces of the caps are machined, then the caps are bolted and torqued down. The main bearing bores are no longer round. The boring bar then makes them perfectly round again. Granted, the centerline of the crankshaft is now moved X number of thousandths of an inch up into the crankcase. In the case of the S3 cylinder heads, I would think it would be possible to machine the cam bearings to the proper surface finish as they were. The slight movement of the cam shaft centerlines down into the head could be dealt with by the chain tensioners and the belt tensioner. I think.
Strosek Ultra, Thank You! That is pretty much what I had in mind. |
Originally Posted by skpyle
(Post 15643096)
I would think it would be possible to machine the cam bearings to the proper surface finish as they were. The slight movement of the cam shaft centerlines down into the head could be dealt with by the chain tensioners and the belt tensioner. I think.
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Originally Posted by worf928
(Post 15644429)
Yes. But, you will also need to look at the installed valve spring and valve stem heights. Thanks for all of your advice on this issue that may never get taken care of. It is good to know, though! |
Originally Posted by skpyle
(Post 15644488)
Ah...sheet. Would this slight loss in distance not be accommodated by the hydraulic lifters?
I’d never thought about it until my local head guy schooled me a bit. |
That makes sense.
Thank you! |
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