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Kevin in Atlanta 02-13-2019 12:50 PM

89 heads after sitting intercooler and coolant fluid for 10 years
 
From Andy Keel supercharged vehicle with failed intercooler leak that sat for years.

I'll see if my go to head rebuilders can fix these.

PS head

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DS Head
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linderpat 02-13-2019 01:11 PM

Following. Kevin, how do you think they'll be able to clean up the valve seats?

GregBBRD 02-13-2019 01:31 PM

A little welding and a few valve seats should take care of those, right?

worf928 02-13-2019 01:33 PM

Compared to 3 of 4 sets of heads I’ve pulled in the last 18 months, those look fabulous.

Kevin in Atlanta 02-13-2019 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by GregBBRD (Post 15636332)
A little welding and a few valve seats should take care of those, right?

8.50 a seat plus welding.

Rob Edwards 02-13-2019 01:39 PM

Did you sand blast those to get them that clean? Some of those valve seats look a bit rough.

Kevin in Atlanta 02-13-2019 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Rob Edwards (Post 15636357)
Did you sand blast those to get them that clean? Some of those valve seats look a bit rough.

Glass bead. Sat the water pooled on the top of the valves. Some valves suffered the same fate.

Bigfoot928 02-13-2019 01:54 PM

I would say to go ahead and replace all seats when they are welded up.

GregBBRD 02-13-2019 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Kevin in Atlanta (Post 15636345)
8.50 a seat plus welding.

That sounds about right. Just make sure they use intake and exhaust seats made from the correct material, so the seats do not wear rapidly. I used to purchase factory oversize seats and furnish them to my machinist, but he did not like those seats and now furnishes his own when we need to replace seats.

I can't see into the ports. Is the aluminum eroded under the valve seats enough that they need to weld there, too?

Kevin in Atlanta 02-13-2019 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by GregBBRD (Post 15637137)
That sounds about right. Just make sure they use intake and exhaust seats made from the correct material, so the seats do not wear rapidly. I used to purchase factory oversize seats and furnish them to my machinist, but he did not like those seats and now furnishes his own when we need to replace seats.

I can't see into the ports. Is the aluminum eroded under the valve seats enough that they need to weld there, too?

I'll take a look later and see. Pictures as well.

Kaplan69 02-14-2019 09:26 AM

Glass beading
 
I think I've heard several times that welding up aluminum, after it's been glass beaded, makes for a major PITA... something about microscopic glass embedded into the surface... but I'm not a welder... Ken

polecat702 02-14-2019 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Kaplan69 (Post 15638276)
I think I've heard several times that welding up aluminum, after it's been glass beaded, makes for a major PITA... something about microscopic glass embedded into the surface... but I'm not a welder... Ken

You are correct. The proper way is to thoroughly clean the surface by washing in a hot chemical solution, cut out the damaged aluminum to the base metal, then weld it up, for resurfacing. Porosity, surface cracking, or any cracking, is not acceptable. Glass bead is for the outside surface area, keeps it looking pretty. After welding and machining. I do use it on my Harley engine cases, their two piece, easy to clean, then I use Rustoleum Orange primer to seal the cases internal surface. Harleys are dry sump engines, but their cases are very porous. We've welded broken cooling fins on heads, intake runners, broken cases, etc. Clean and weld first then machine, then glass bead the exterior.

Back 50 plus years ago carbon tetrachloride, was the best solvent for cleaning aluminum, it's banned. Today it's acetone and alcohol. You gotta prehead the hell out of aluminum. Welding aluminum is a skill, just takes patience and time to learn to do it correctly. I have a purge box, and use helium as a backing gas.

The Forgotten On 02-15-2019 05:02 AM

That corrosion isn't bad, it actually looks fairly normal for a 928 head. Most that look worse than that are saved, especially the 89+ heads that aren't prone to cracking.

Just have your machinist pop in a new set of seats, have them cut, do some welding, deck the heads to the correct RA and away you go.

Now would be the time to port match the intake to the heads as well :)

Kevin in Atlanta 02-15-2019 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by The Forgotten On (Post 15640348)
That corrosion isn't bad, it actually looks fairly normal for a 928 head. Most that look worse than that are saved, especially the 89+ heads that aren't prone to cracking.

Just have your machinist pop in a new set of seats, have them cut, do some welding, deck the heads to the correct RA and away you go.

Now would be the time to port match the intake to the heads as well :)

Those heads are destined for my stroker project. That's why they are getting properly repaired.

Kevin in Atlanta 02-26-2019 05:10 PM

Back today - all the seats were replaced, the head welded and the heads themselves barely skimmed.

They also assembled the heads with the new springs, retainers and centering discs.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...110b3e6c92.jpg
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