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89 heads after sitting intercooler and coolant fluid for 10 years

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Old 02-13-2019, 12:50 PM
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Default 89 heads after sitting intercooler and coolant fluid for 10 years

From Andy Keel supercharged vehicle with failed intercooler leak that sat for years.

I'll see if my go to head rebuilders can fix these.

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Following. Kevin, how do you think they'll be able to clean up the valve seats?
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A little welding and a few valve seats should take care of those, right?
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Compared to 3 of 4 sets of heads I’ve pulled in the last 18 months, those look fabulous.
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
A little welding and a few valve seats should take care of those, right?
8.50 a seat plus welding.
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Did you sand blast those to get them that clean? Some of those valve seats look a bit rough.
Old 02-13-2019, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob Edwards
Did you sand blast those to get them that clean? Some of those valve seats look a bit rough.
Glass bead. Sat the water pooled on the top of the valves. Some valves suffered the same fate.
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I would say to go ahead and replace all seats when they are welded up.
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Originally Posted by Kevin in Atlanta
8.50 a seat plus welding.
That sounds about right. Just make sure they use intake and exhaust seats made from the correct material, so the seats do not wear rapidly. I used to purchase factory oversize seats and furnish them to my machinist, but he did not like those seats and now furnishes his own when we need to replace seats.

I can't see into the ports. Is the aluminum eroded under the valve seats enough that they need to weld there, too?
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
That sounds about right. Just make sure they use intake and exhaust seats made from the correct material, so the seats do not wear rapidly. I used to purchase factory oversize seats and furnish them to my machinist, but he did not like those seats and now furnishes his own when we need to replace seats.

I can't see into the ports. Is the aluminum eroded under the valve seats enough that they need to weld there, too?
I'll take a look later and see. Pictures as well.
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Default Glass beading

I think I've heard several times that welding up aluminum, after it's been glass beaded, makes for a major PITA... something about microscopic glass embedded into the surface... but I'm not a welder... Ken
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Originally Posted by Kaplan69
I think I've heard several times that welding up aluminum, after it's been glass beaded, makes for a major PITA... something about microscopic glass embedded into the surface... but I'm not a welder... Ken
You are correct. The proper way is to thoroughly clean the surface by washing in a hot chemical solution, cut out the damaged aluminum to the base metal, then weld it up, for resurfacing. Porosity, surface cracking, or any cracking, is not acceptable. Glass bead is for the outside surface area, keeps it looking pretty. After welding and machining. I do use it on my Harley engine cases, their two piece, easy to clean, then I use Rustoleum Orange primer to seal the cases internal surface. Harleys are dry sump engines, but their cases are very porous. We've welded broken cooling fins on heads, intake runners, broken cases, etc. Clean and weld first then machine, then glass bead the exterior.

Back 50 plus years ago carbon tetrachloride, was the best solvent for cleaning aluminum, it's banned. Today it's acetone and alcohol. You gotta prehead the hell out of aluminum. Welding aluminum is a skill, just takes patience and time to learn to do it correctly. I have a purge box, and use helium as a backing gas.
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That corrosion isn't bad, it actually looks fairly normal for a 928 head. Most that look worse than that are saved, especially the 89+ heads that aren't prone to cracking.

Just have your machinist pop in a new set of seats, have them cut, do some welding, deck the heads to the correct RA and away you go.

Now would be the time to port match the intake to the heads as well
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Originally Posted by The Forgotten On
That corrosion isn't bad, it actually looks fairly normal for a 928 head. Most that look worse than that are saved, especially the 89+ heads that aren't prone to cracking.

Just have your machinist pop in a new set of seats, have them cut, do some welding, deck the heads to the correct RA and away you go.

Now would be the time to port match the intake to the heads as well
Those heads are destined for my stroker project. That's why they are getting properly repaired.
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Back today - all the seats were replaced, the head welded and the heads themselves barely skimmed.

They also assembled the heads with the new springs, retainers and centering discs.





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