Snow chains for 86 928S
01-14-2019, 05:12 AM
#31
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If I seem a bit zealous about this, it's because I see this on an almost daily basis. I've driven through a blizzard in a 350hp rwd car and counted 50+ accidents in a 300km stretch. The vast majority were pickup trucks likely running all season tires. In the past 4 days I've seen 5 vehicles go off the highway or lose control. All pickup trucks.
01-14-2019, 05:15 AM
#32
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01-14-2019, 05:22 AM
#33
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I've seen a few vehicles upside down or in the ditch that a bit of caution would likely have kept from being in trouble.
Driving West on I-84 in December of 2014, I saw a jack-knifed and flipped RV that had turned the tow vehicle on it's side, blocking most of the lanes.
Maybe 1 mile further up the road, a full sized SUV upside down on the fast lane shoulder/ditch.
Around another half mile, on the right shoulder, a van was in the ditch, and part way up the far side.
Me, I was purring along with M+S rated Toyo tires (not specifically snow tires, but adequate), under a little turbo diesel powered VW Jetta... Nothing too special, but it got me through that winter drive from the coast to Boise and back. That said, I had a set of Les Schwaub cable chains in the trunk, as well as other cold weather supplies, just in case.
A few years earlier, I had a 2004 Subaru STI, and found out just how badly 4WD, or AWD in the Subaru's case, can let you down.
Just traveling from home to work, I found sheet ice in town, and even with Michelin all season tires on it, also rated M+S, it wouldn't even start to go forward, mostly just stuck spinning in place once I found that road.
Low profile cable chains, and driving at slow speed, got me through the trouble spots, and I went puttering along my merry way.
It was 300hp/tq from the factory, and running around 345hp/375tq at the time, but when it's what you have, it's what you drive.
Driving West on I-84 in December of 2014, I saw a jack-knifed and flipped RV that had turned the tow vehicle on it's side, blocking most of the lanes.
Maybe 1 mile further up the road, a full sized SUV upside down on the fast lane shoulder/ditch.
Around another half mile, on the right shoulder, a van was in the ditch, and part way up the far side.
Me, I was purring along with M+S rated Toyo tires (not specifically snow tires, but adequate), under a little turbo diesel powered VW Jetta... Nothing too special, but it got me through that winter drive from the coast to Boise and back. That said, I had a set of Les Schwaub cable chains in the trunk, as well as other cold weather supplies, just in case.
A few years earlier, I had a 2004 Subaru STI, and found out just how badly 4WD, or AWD in the Subaru's case, can let you down.
Just traveling from home to work, I found sheet ice in town, and even with Michelin all season tires on it, also rated M+S, it wouldn't even start to go forward, mostly just stuck spinning in place once I found that road.
Low profile cable chains, and driving at slow speed, got me through the trouble spots, and I went puttering along my merry way.
It was 300hp/tq from the factory, and running around 345hp/375tq at the time, but when it's what you have, it's what you drive.
01-14-2019, 05:54 AM
#35
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The unfortunate truth is mistakes happen, whether they belong to you or not. No guarantees about the belonging part either. They happen. Who knows why?
I guess we all do our very best to not make mistakes, but we also have an obligation to push the envelope or we won't evolve. It's what we do.
Regards,
01-14-2019, 01:58 PM
#37
I've been caught 300 miles away from home base visiting mom in NJ and had to drive the 79 928 home in over 8 inches of snow in blizzard like conditions.Having grown up in the snow belt and having driven everything from a 500hp hot rod to a 90hp vega in the snow,it did remarkably well,when operated properly for the road conditions.Interesting observation from that trip home,was that the north side salisbury MD had 4 to 6 inches and the snow was all but gone by the time I was 5 minutes down RT13 coming out of town.
01-14-2019, 02:44 PM
#38
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And you've been to Colorado how many times in the past 8 years? Which cars did you use them on?
Come now. My '85 was on the western slope of the northern Rockies for 15 years. It never ventured forth after September or before June. Cable chains? Are you mad man? Cable chains? Hrrumph! I'm outraged for you (not at you, for you). Really.
Of course these cars will serve fine if you drive them off a Chicago pier into the Great Lakes. They may have fish in them afterwards, but that's to be expected. In general, it's a bad plan.
Come now. My '85 was on the western slope of the northern Rockies for 15 years. It never ventured forth after September or before June. Cable chains? Are you mad man? Cable chains? Hrrumph! I'm outraged for you (not at you, for you). Really.
Of course these cars will serve fine if you drive them off a Chicago pier into the Great Lakes. They may have fish in them afterwards, but that's to be expected. In general, it's a bad plan.
In the context of this thread, the gentleman was asking about chains for an emergent situation where the alternative would be to call Uber(waiting a few hours), and leave his 928 where it sat. Given that the cost of cable chains, and use on paved mostly level highway for less than 10 miles, it would be an economical and sensible accessory to have in the 928 where snow is possible. BTW, while I grew up in sunny San Diego, when I left home, I was stationed in N Germany, S Germany, Korea, and spent plenty of time in snowy climes. Lived in Evergreen CO at 8700' for more than 6 years. Well aware of the driving conditions. If you want to be outraged, I guess I'll be the one sleeping fine tonight with my recommendation.
Please note that these require the octopus rubber tension bands, and are suitable where space between the inside tire, and suspension is limited. Perfect for occasional use on 928.
Have a nice day.
01-14-2019, 02:48 PM
#39
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I apologize unreservedly for having ruffled your feathers.I have a home at 9000' in the Rockies, and also a cabin at 8400' in N NM in the Sangre De Cristo mtns. I travel to CO in winter at least 8-12 times, and spend from 3 to 30 days at a time. From Nov to mid May. I have used cable chains on the 94 Every Panel Dented Focus; 2009 Saturn Vue Green line(FWD, not AWD); 2010 Mini Cooper Countryman; 2001 Dodge 2WD pickup.
In the context of this thread, the gentleman was asking about chains for an emergent situation where the alternative would be to call Uber(waiting a few hours), and leave his 928 where it sat. Given that the cost of cable chains, and use on paved mostly level highway for less than 10 miles, it would be an economical and sensible accessory to have in the 928 where snow is possible. BTW, while I grew up in sunny San Diego, when I left home, I was stationed in N Germany, S Germany, Korea, and spent plenty of time in snowy climes. Lived in Evergreen CO at 8700' for more than 6 years. Well aware of the driving conditions. If you want to be outraged, I guess I'll be the one sleeping fine tonight with my recommendation.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VAKXVA...547491002&sr=3
Please note that these require the octopus rubber tension bands, and are suitable where space between the inside tire, and suspension is limited. Perfect for occasional use on 928.
Have a nice day.
In the context of this thread, the gentleman was asking about chains for an emergent situation where the alternative would be to call Uber(waiting a few hours), and leave his 928 where it sat. Given that the cost of cable chains, and use on paved mostly level highway for less than 10 miles, it would be an economical and sensible accessory to have in the 928 where snow is possible. BTW, while I grew up in sunny San Diego, when I left home, I was stationed in N Germany, S Germany, Korea, and spent plenty of time in snowy climes. Lived in Evergreen CO at 8700' for more than 6 years. Well aware of the driving conditions. If you want to be outraged, I guess I'll be the one sleeping fine tonight with my recommendation.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VAKXVA...547491002&sr=3
Please note that these require the octopus rubber tension bands, and are suitable where space between the inside tire, and suspension is limited. Perfect for occasional use on 928.
Have a nice day.
I use these
https://www.peerlesschain.com/tire-c...tirechains/669
01-14-2019, 06:37 PM
#40
Burning Brakes
01-14-2019, 07:40 PM
#41
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. OK. No more obscure references and backhanded humor, but I'm glad you got it anyway.It's just ironic for me to hear the tale of someone taking a supercar out on the snow. Not like I haven't done it myself by any means, but the irony is there I think? Yep, it's pretty darned hard to succeed at the task of maintaining control of a rear wheel drive 300 rwhp car on ice. Coming home from a party. In the snow.
I was only trying to express that irony, and laugh a little, because I sometime think we don't laugh at ourselves enough.
Best Regards,
01-14-2019, 07:49 PM
#42
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01-15-2019, 12:38 AM
#43
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but what in the world possessed you to consider putting a 300 rwhp car on the snow? Traction control in that scenario isn't legendary. Studded tires? Might help. But seriously, we have trouble keeping the rear wheels on the ground when the track is smooth and dry. We employ aerodynamic assistance to that end. Thousands of dollars are spent to mitigate the effects of rear wheel drive on ground control. This isn't a new subject?
I think I mentioned that back in the beginning.
01-15-2019, 12:44 AM
#44
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01-15-2019, 12:48 AM
#45
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I've been caught 300 miles away from home base visiting mom in NJ and had to drive the 79 928 home in over 8 inches of snow in blizzard like conditions.Having grown up in the snow belt and having driven everything from a 500hp hot rod to a 90hp vega in the snow,it did remarkably well,when operated properly for the road conditions.Interesting observation from that trip home,was that the north side salisbury MD had 4 to 6 inches and the snow was all but gone by the time I was 5 minutes down RT13 coming out of town.