Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

Dave Kinney of Hagerty Picks the 928 in His Top 5 Classic Cars...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-20-2017, 03:58 PM
  #1  
GT6ixer
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
GT6ixer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Gig Harbor. WA
Posts: 4,144
Received 782 Likes on 382 Posts
Default Dave Kinney of Hagerty Picks the 928 in His Top 5 Classic Cars...

...built between 1980 and 2000

Dave's take on the 928 starts at the 5:30 mark.

Old 09-21-2017, 04:31 PM
  #2  
gazfish
Rennlist Member
 
gazfish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 1,007
Received 180 Likes on 132 Posts
Default

Thanks for sharing, not sure many here would agree that wrenching on the driveway isn't an option.
Old 09-21-2017, 11:35 PM
  #3  
STRIKEMASTER
Drifting
 
STRIKEMASTER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: MAPLE SHADE, N.J.
Posts: 2,465
Received 38 Likes on 23 Posts
Default

Wrenching it yourself is the primary option unless you have VERY deep pockets...
Old 09-21-2017, 11:48 PM
  #4  
Speedtoys
Rennlist Member
 
Speedtoys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
Posts: 13,582
Received 1,034 Likes on 623 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gazfish
Thanks for sharing, not sure many here would agree that wrenching on the driveway isn't an option.

why not. what part is hard?
Old 09-22-2017, 04:13 AM
  #5  
ThetaTau87
Racer
 
ThetaTau87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Waterford, MI
Posts: 375
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Speedtoys
why not. what part is hard?
It's a "complicated car." LOL, whatever that means. Anyone who can spin a wrench and knows how to use Google will find this place and have all the help they need. True the 928 was a bit ahead of the curve with it's technology, but it isn't alien technology.

IMO the 928 has always been saddled with a bad rep as an expensive car to maintain by people who have never owned or worked on one and are intimidated. All it takes to fix just about anything on a 928 is a basic understanding of the fundamentals of how a modern electronically controlled car works and taking the time to dig up the answers/help from others online who have BTDT.
Old 09-22-2017, 07:13 AM
  #6  
Captain_Slow
Drifting
 
Captain_Slow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 2,095
Received 26 Likes on 22 Posts
Default

I tell people at C&Cs the "it's complicated" rep started in the 1980s and just got repeated and repeated...meanwhile new cars evolved and became WAY more complicated (e.g. Chevy Volt). How complicated can 1980s technology be?

I find that experts in valuing cars are not necessarily experts in working on cars. They collect cars. If the value expert tells me my car is much more valuable today than it was 4 years ago, I am not one to argue.
Old 09-22-2017, 11:45 AM
  #7  
hacker-pschorr
Administrator - "Tyson"
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
hacker-pschorr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Up Nort
Posts: 1,453
Received 2,072 Likes on 1,183 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Captain_Slow
I tell people at C&Cs the "it's complicated" rep started in the 1980s and just got repeated and repeated...meanwhile new cars evolved and became WAY more complicated (e.g. Chevy Volt). How complicated can 1980s technology be?
It's complicated for an 80's car and to modern mechanics without an ODBII port, they don't know how to do old school troubleshooting.

Time consuming to diagnose would be more accurate than complicated.
Old 09-22-2017, 12:58 PM
  #8  
Catorce
Banned
 
Catorce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Orange County
Posts: 1,609
Received 73 Likes on 45 Posts
Default

Mechanically very easy car to work on, lacks many of the more complicated bits of newer Porsches (i.e. Variocam), doesn't need that many special tools compared to newer cars.

Downsides: Laborious to diagnose electrical issues and on the early cars CIS troubles. Lots of ancient black magic at work there.
Old 09-22-2017, 01:13 PM
  #9  
docmirror
Shameful Thread Killer
Rennlist Member
 
docmirror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Rep of Texas, N NM, Rockies, SoCal
Posts: 19,826
Received 75 Likes on 60 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
It's complicated for an 80's car and to modern mechanics without an ODBII port, they don't know how to do old school troubleshooting.

Time consuming to diagnose would be more accurate than complicated.
Whut he saided ^^

I was modestly intimidated by my first 928, mostly due to all the OWTs about it. But - for modern kids, anything without an ODB-II connector and a code lookup is voodoo.

Frex:

"What's a noid light?"

"You mean the injector duty cycle is set by the fuel pressure and the piston hooked to that big plate?" (there is no 'duty cycle')

"How does a hot wire determine the fuel flow?"

and others....
Old 09-22-2017, 02:59 PM
  #10  
polecat702
Vegas, Baby!
Rennlist Member


 
polecat702's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: far away
Posts: 11,535
Received 379 Likes on 161 Posts
Default

When I retire in December, going to enroll in a electrical course at the Jr. collage. I'm lost, when it comes to anything other than replacing the battery, or light bulbs. I really need to know how to use a multi-meter.
Old 09-22-2017, 04:56 PM
  #11  
Speedtoys
Rennlist Member
 
Speedtoys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
Posts: 13,582
Received 1,034 Likes on 623 Posts
Default

Large Collage




Jr Collage

Old 09-22-2017, 05:55 PM
  #12  
Captain_Slow
Drifting
 
Captain_Slow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 2,095
Received 26 Likes on 22 Posts
Default

This rings very true....then add how tight everything is packed into the engine bay.

Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
It's complicated for an 80's car and to modern mechanics without an ODBII port, they don't know how to do old school troubleshooting.

Time consuming to diagnose would be more accurate than complicated.
Old 09-22-2017, 06:20 PM
  #13  
SwayBar
Drifting
 
SwayBar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Chicago Bears
Posts: 3,477
Received 291 Likes on 198 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Time consuming to diagnose would be more accurate than complicated.
Agree 100%.

I've found the toughest part is the electrical system, and learning how to read the electrical charts.

With that said, Alan here has an EXCELLENT electrical system primer on how to read and decode the charts - and it's free. And just like anything, once you learn it, it's a piece of cake.

Alan, PM me your PayPal and I'll send you money for a nice lunch! Your guide was extremely helpful.
Old 09-22-2017, 11:21 PM
  #14  
deutschmick
Rennlist Member
 
deutschmick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: TX
Posts: 3,235
Received 101 Likes on 73 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Captain_Slow
This rings very true....then add how tight everything is packed into the engine bay.
True also. I heard someone describe the 928 as being "mechanically dense" in that everything is so tightly packaged.

Last week I had my LH computer rebuilt (kudos to Rich Andrade). I was amazed, and a little frustrated, removing and replacing it.

It's placement in the passenger footwell looked like an afterthought, but the metal cradle it's placed in took some significant engineering.

Kudos also to RL; I'm always grateful for the wealth of knowledge on this forum!
Old 09-24-2017, 03:34 PM
  #15  
Red Flash
Burning Brakes
 
Red Flash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: The Heartland
Posts: 870
Received 27 Likes on 23 Posts
Default

Well, I listened to it. But, rust? I think I have only seen 2 928s in the last 7 years of strong interest and looking that had rust.


Quick Reply: Dave Kinney of Hagerty Picks the 928 in His Top 5 Classic Cars...



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 04:46 PM.