mochamedics

ok just my opinion but if you think it is hard getting parts for your shark try for the lanc

Pierre Martins

Okay, here's the rest of the story.

Those pics were taken about 2 years ago. Since then not much else have been done to the Lancia. I forgot to mention it boasts a +/- 300hp 16 valve turbo Delta Integrale motor. These motors can be tweaked to 550hp at a fraction of the cost 928-wise. With little effort weight can be cut down to 850kg. It's got custom billstiens all round, knock-on OZ magnesium rims, AP Lockheed titanium calipers, 6pod fronts, 4pod rears.

Now wouldn't you be tempted? mid engined, 550hp, 850kg, with go-cart-like handling and brakes to boot? At an affordable cost? eh? eh?

A wannit to turn it into something like this -


I went to see the car yesteday and checked it out thoroughly. Afterwards I visited two race car builders that know the car and spoke to them in detail about the car. Then I visited M&R motors, where my shark's been going through tranformation for 2 years now, and still not finished. Trick, high performance parts are hard to come by and helluva expensive in South Africa. So far I spent a small fortune on my 928 and it's about 80 percent race ready.

The Lancia on the other hand, is in a mess as it stands right now. Problem is, allthough it's got a good motor and serious trick bits, it's been slapped together by people with no clue when it comes to race geometry etc etc... If I do the swap, I'd have to tear it down and start from scratch. Big $$$ again. I dunno if I feel like going through that again.

I've spent big $$$ on my Porsche already, so right now I'm keeping it. But the cost of racing is a nagging thought. What if I blow a motor? You can build like 3 Integrale motors for the cost of one 928 motor...

I'm keeping my Porsche, but I'm still tempted. Have to give an answer by Monday. Decisions, decisions...

SteveG

Pierre: If you have to ask, you should be banned from the 928. Seriously, you need therapy; both are being made into track cars. 1) the 928, as good as it is, wasn't meant for the track. 2) you've put a ton into the 928 which is now not a street car 3) the Lancia as you say is not being done up to any reasonable specs, but also has a tonne of work done to it. You will have to rebuild it and you don't want to go thru that. I wish I had the money you are spending to make what you don't want.

drnick

i thought about this last year when some guy in a 70's ford escort almost showed me a clean pair of heels on a country back road. the galling part was that he may have only spent half the money i had spent to do it! ive allways been partial to the lines of those little ford boxes and i thought it wouldnt cost too much to buy one and make it go fast, surely much less than a 928?? so i did some research and came to conclude that although there was a plethora of cheap parts available for the old ford, they really were 'cheap', once you went beyond a certain point the law of diminishing returns meant that costs skyrocketed. in other words, it wouldnt cost much to bring the 0-60 times down to under 10 seconds, say, but to go further down began to cost a lot more quite quickly. so i uprated the suspension on the 86 for much less than i would have spent 'migrating to a different platform' and transformed the car!

aquisition of a second 928 is a form of 'major mechanical' warranty..

Tom DM

At Pierre,

You are correct:you can build three Lancia motors with the cost of one 928-engine...

Downside of the medal is that you *will* build three motors. Lancia 2 l turbo are fragile, big HP-engines even more. Getting a new alternator equals getting the engine out of the car.

I 've got a Sierra Cosworth 2 liter 350 HP, the engine is more out of the car than in. Just remember that Ford is cheap and plentifull, Lancia is a rare and expensive beast.

But the Monte Carlo never had the turbo-charged engine I think.

Whatever you choose, know that racing a turbo'd small engine will cost you an arm and a leg (not neccessarily in that order), that big engines tend to be more reliable. On the other hand: once the boost comes in at aboou 3000 RPM, it is hard not to idiot grin all over (=reason why I keep the Cossie)

Just my 2 (copper) Euro cents,

Tom

Drewster67

Okay maybe I have no clue about the montecarlo, but take a good look at the pic below. UNLESS and I do mean UNLESS, the lancia in question is tweeked beyond recognition, into a beast of a track car - I'd pass. Then again, I am extremely biased.

T_MaX

The more obscure the car is, the more money it's going to take to race it!

Racing a car you can't afford, will be keep you in the back of the pack at the track, forever!