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Has anyone evaluated Subaru BRZ as 944 replacement?

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Old 01-07-2016, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkee

Never thought RX7 copy 944 even though their 2nd gen looks the same. I think people like RX7 not only because of their light weight nimbleness, but also the rotary heart, which is very unique in it's own way.


The 944 Turbo had the wide body style fenders, large glass hatch and wrap around spoiler which was being copied by everyone from Mazda (RX7) to Mitsubishi (Starion TSi) at half the cost.


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Originally Posted by yorkee
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Never thought RX7 copy 944 even though their 2nd gen looks the same. I think people like RX7 not only because of their light weight nimbleness, but also the rotary heart, which is very unique in it's own way.
A friend who does tarmac rally loves both Porsche and rotaries and after his 2.0L engine couldn't hold up to turbocharging (with a period kit) he found a compromise that worked in his favour and still lets him stay in class.

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I have no dog in this fight, but there are some broad statements being thrown around in this thread. I was curious of the torque curves between the two cars. I understand friction losses, environmental effects, and correction factor. So not looking at peak numbers, and will just leave these here.




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Nice graph very interestING torque curve.

Looky looky what I found. A BRZ chasing a 944 down on the track.
Very interesting
Old 01-07-2016, 09:29 PM
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^^^Judging by the rear valence and wheels that is a 86 951 no less.
Old 01-07-2016, 09:34 PM
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I've been curious how these cars would compare on a track. But the FRS/BRZ can be made so much faster with a sticky set of tires on some wider wheels. Of course one could argue the money saved (initially) on a 944 could be spent for some serious performance enhancers...
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I was wondering too if it was a 951, but the rear could be aftermarket. Something about the the rims and lack of door molding on the side makes me want to believe its an early N/A. But could all be wishful thinking. Lol
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that doesn't sound or take off like a 951. Sounded more like my 86 N/A and takes off just as impressive. The rear defuser is easy to install on the N/A cars. And the rear bumper looks like it's a lightweight piece. There is a big difference between driving my 86 944 and 87 951. Double power and handling in the 951.
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Originally Posted by Humboldtgrin
that doesn't sound ..........

Talking of Sounds..................





This company In Finland that I'm looking to get some lightweight exhaust components from have made a system for the BRZ / GT86

Click on the link and listen to the Raspy Notes!

http://martelius.com/en/toyota-gt86-...brz-scion-frs/

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Originally Posted by jr10cross
Nice graph very interestING torque curve.

Looky looky what I found. A BRZ chasing a 944 down on the track.
https://youtu.be/QlDtLwrZvIo
Very interesting
Interesting - yes. However, the driver of the 944 is not clipping the apexes, not carrying his speed and braking way too early.

The Subaru very likely has modifications intended to improve track performance - note the metallic brake sound. The driver also appears to know how to get around VIR.

A good driver in an average car can beat a slow driver in a good car just about every time.
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I didn't like the frs/brz. I sat in one and it feels really cheap compared to a 944 which makes sense bc the frs is a cheap sports car (944 cost twice as much). when i sat in the frs and shut the door i immediately changed my mind, the doors feel like they are made out of tin cans (like a lot of jap cars). and the I hated the interior. The windshield also feels tiny and I felt like I could barely see out. Also interior feels tiny even compared to the 944.Here in canada with taxes a frs is a bit over 30 grand, with that money i can probably buy a nice 968 or a really nice 944 turbo, so yeah i don't see the frs/brz as a good deal right now. I'd rather pick up a used cayman also, but the ims issues scare me from picking up older caymans.
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I had a very similar experience when I sat in the BRZ. I do like the exterior, but the interior and build quality immediately put me off.

Ah, well, it makes me appreciate my 944 more. i'll just drive it until a 2009/10 Cayman falls into my lap./
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Originally Posted by BoulderGeek
I had a very similar experience when I sat in the BRZ. I do like the exterior, but the interior and build quality immediately put me off.

Ah, well, it makes me appreciate my 944 more. i'll just drive it until a 2009/10 Cayman falls into my lap./

Japs tend to build "Their" cars for their small build and they certainly do love tacky plastic and dodgy interiors.....!


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Originally Posted by BoulderGeek
I had a very similar experience when I sat in the BRZ. I do like the exterior, but the interior and build quality immediately put me off.

Ah, well, it makes me appreciate my 944 more. i'll just drive it until a 2009/10 Cayman falls into my lap./
haha yeah, but you can't really compare the build quality/feel of a scion/toyota to porsche or any german car. The frs felt like a toy when i sat in one, I didn't even bother taking it for a test drive.

I'm also interested in a 2009+ cayman as they should be pretty bullet proof and reliable. i'm not crazy about the look of the cayman either, they look weird from certain angles but still a nice ride.
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Originally Posted by Tim_944
i'm not crazy about the look of the cayman either, they look weird from certain angles...



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