*WiZaRD- 951

What do you think? To me it sounds like a healthy little worthwhile upgrade for the wellbeing of your car, I just don't know about this 'moving the air meter' over. I was reading about SFR's Intercooler Pipes and everything seemed fine, then "DUH DUH!" it simply said the air meter couldn't be in the stock position, what do you do to move it???

IanM

If you're getting an MAF, do that first, then think about intercooler pipes. To be honest, the main reason I got intercooler pipes was because my turbo compressor housing is so damn big it would not fit without machining the underside of my intake manifold etc, and it was impossible to index the compressor housing properly. Because of this, the rubber boot connecting to the i/c pipe coming off my turbo had a major kink in it - ie. major air flow restriction. My i/c pipes were originally HR pipes, that were cut, modified, welded, etc, to make them fit my specific car perfectly. The added bonus is that they look gorgeous, but that's just for show. I don't think you'll feel any gains by going through the effort of modifying your stock air intake system and installing i/c pipes on your car. Maybe after you get a monster turbo, but for now, I'd leave it alone.

Luke

$710 <img src="graemlins/oops.gif" border="0" alt="[oops]" />

personally, I think the koeklin kit isn't such a great deal when there are people out there like sean951 who do such great work.

*WiZaRD- 951

You have to modify stuff for the pipes? I'm not getting a MAF by the way unless I just trip and fall on one. I just thought I'd be better for the car & less potential leaks. I thought they just directly took the place of the old ones? (The SFR ones)

Danno

Nah, intercooler pipes won't do a thing for a stock 951. Sure, if you're running a monster turbo with high-boost, then new intercooler pipes would help. But you're looking at flowing about twice the amount of air as a stock car, so that really makes a difference then. On a stock car, it's a waste of money.

Luke

[quote]Originally posted by Craig944[951]:
<strong>You have to modify stuff for the pipes? </strong><hr></blockquote>

The koeklin kit includes a bracket to move over the stock air flow meter, and intercooler pipes.
[quote]Originally posted by Craig944[951]:
<strong>I'm not getting a MAF by the way unless I just trip and fall on one. </strong><hr></blockquote>

It might not exactly be the "trip and fall" senario but My MAF cost only $575. That's less than 1/2 the price of the others. I now of two people who are able to support 350rwhp with this one too! I will have some dyno #'s with this unit to prove to everybody that there is no reason to stay away from less expensive equipment. (especially when it is so simple!!!) I am hoping to make 290rwhp from my SFR stage one #6 turbo, MP MAF, chips of undecided brand, and LR wastegate. (I'll have a Milledge camshaft in my near future as well) <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

Luke

still looking for a deal on used chips.

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ribs

[quote]Originally posted by Lukesilver95186:
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It might not exactly be the "trip and fall" senario but My MAF cost only $575. That's almost a 1/3 of the others. I now of two people who are able to support 350rwhp with this one too! I will have some dyno #'s with this unit to prove to everybody that there is no reason to stay away from less expensive equipment. (especially when it is so simple!!!) I am hoping to make 290rwhp from my SFR stage one #6 turbo, MP MAF, chips of undecided brand, and LR wastegate. (I'll have a Milledge camshaft in my near future as well) <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sooo....what MAF did you end up getting? I may have the opportunity to get custom stainless mandrel pipes made for my car for cheap or free (not sure about it yet), and if I could just get the MAF without all of the other hoopla, I could take care of the tubing and brackets...was it a <a href="http://www.pro-flow.com/" target="_blank">pro flow</a> unit? Let us know more.

Luke

yes it is a pro flow. SOld by Modern Performance. A couple of members told me that the pro flows had several problems and told me to look at some archieves. I found nothing.
Then I was informed that most of the autohority units are made by pro flow. It has mixture adjustments. I will be buying some dyno time to set her up right with my new turbo. I am confident that it will do just fine.

Danno

So what's the diameter of the ProFlow unit (at its smallest section)? Was it just plug & play into the wiring using the AFM connector? Also did you need any signal-massagers like the ARC2?
Looks like a real good deal! Let's see those dyno charts!

951and944S

While the stock pipes are up to the task to deliver the flow of the stock turbo/intercooler, they DO look better and get rid of those phony rubber couplings and hose clamps...

Craig, Tim has (should) a setup already made that will relocate YOUR stock MAF, with a K&N filter in the same fashion as the more expensive "hotwire" MAF's, you see on the sites.
I know, cause I had it made, by him, but sent it back UNUSED, when I decided to go with the MAF upgrade.

This would be a cheaper option for you, if you just like the looks of the pipes, and don't want the expense of the MAF kit....

Just my .02c

BTW, I may have some pics somewhere, I think I could find for you....!

951and944S

Danno, Good questions, that's what I've been wondering....
How will the DME interpret these signals..?
Are there special chips with this MAF...?
So, the stock AFM harness is used...?

How are fuel adjustments made to compensate for the obvious increase in airflow...?

If an ARC or the like with an AF ratio meter is needed, then the $500-$600 for this Pro Flow, will end up costing $1200 anyway...

Sorry Luke, no offense intended by the following..

Luke: Hello, I'm having trouble getting my A/F ratio corrected...
Pro Flow: What's an ARC...?

CarreraCup03

has anyone actually tried the Mod Perf MAF? If so please answer these important questions.

Thx.
944 turbo

Luke

which questions was supposed to offend me ? No offense taken

the harness gets modified and you need to "ground" somewhere

There are no "SPECIAL" chips needed, you will need some sort of aftermarket chip though. (im still looking for a deal ........ANYONE????)

authority's are "proflows". Autothority is a distributor just like modern P.

the diameter is 75mm at the most narrow section.

Luke

[quote]Originally posted by Danno:
<strong>! Let's see those dyno charts!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Soon as I get my TURBO