Theory on dropping 0-60 for you n/a!
07-09-2001, 04:58 AM
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Theory on dropping 0-60 for you n/a!
Ok, I didn't know WHICH end the gas went into a car about 6 months ago, I just now in the past weeks started learning about cars and general, reading about 7 magazines for many days and reading the Haynes manual, i've learned and come to an understanding of cars a LIT'L more, not much though 
. But I've come to a conclusion about the 0-60 that everyone is so desperate for now'days.
Well, as far as I can see it the big issue for dragsters is weight distribution and torque and HP. I know already from expeirence that the 944 isn't an easy car to spin the tires on (unless reving very high) from the line, SO! I think i've devised a plan to drop the o-60 time for my car.
-Well, the way I see it, I can't make it TO light YET, so spinning the tires isn't an issue and that's what i'm focusing most of this on.
I'm going to lay this out in steps PLEASE let me know what you think guys!
WEIGHT:
1) Remove spare tire (2Olbs)
2) Remove the jack (2.5lbs?)
3) Remove the top half of the back seat
4) Change out seats to some lighter racing seats (possibly the 10Lb ones).
OTHER:
1) "chip it"
2) Use an electric Supercharger (if you can't use a normal one)
3) New throttle response cam. (35$)
4) I've learned that the paint/bondo they used orignially is RATHER heavy compared to new age stuff, when I had my new paint job put on (3k dollars OUCH OMG it hurt the good o'l pocket book--i have pics--) they told me they got off a TON of EXCESS stuff and my car "has gone on a diet". So if you plan to get it painted have it REDONE
5) Custom Intake? I have no clue what this would help i just hear about it alot LOL!
6) Quick Shift Kit
LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS That know what the hell you're doing think! Thanks 'preciate it.
. But I've come to a conclusion about the 0-60 that everyone is so desperate for now'days.Well, as far as I can see it the big issue for dragsters is weight distribution and torque and HP. I know already from expeirence that the 944 isn't an easy car to spin the tires on (unless reving very high) from the line, SO! I think i've devised a plan to drop the o-60 time for my car.
-Well, the way I see it, I can't make it TO light YET, so spinning the tires isn't an issue and that's what i'm focusing most of this on.
I'm going to lay this out in steps PLEASE let me know what you think guys!
WEIGHT:
1) Remove spare tire (2Olbs)
2) Remove the jack (2.5lbs?)
3) Remove the top half of the back seat
4) Change out seats to some lighter racing seats (possibly the 10Lb ones).
OTHER:
1) "chip it"
2) Use an electric Supercharger (if you can't use a normal one)
3) New throttle response cam. (35$)
4) I've learned that the paint/bondo they used orignially is RATHER heavy compared to new age stuff, when I had my new paint job put on (3k dollars OUCH OMG it hurt the good o'l pocket book--i have pics--) they told me they got off a TON of EXCESS stuff and my car "has gone on a diet". So if you plan to get it painted have it REDONE
5) Custom Intake? I have no clue what this would help i just hear about it alot LOL!
6) Quick Shift Kit
LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS That know what the hell you're doing think! Thanks 'preciate it.
07-09-2001, 05:02 AM
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I've run the Gtek thing one time on my car, and my 0-60 was 7.3 w/ a 150LB Passenger, sooooo, I don't know what my lit'l system would do for it anyway, i don't really care. LOL
*i weigh 190 BTW
*i weigh 190 BTW
07-09-2001, 08:12 AM
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What sort of electric supercharger are you thinking about? I have to tell you, the theory is sound but that's about it. There are some out there that use an axial fan, they provide NO benefit, because an axial fan can't build static air pressure.
I actually built one (electric supercharger), using a squirrel cage fan. It doesn't work (yet). It's on my Volvo wagon (don't ask). I need to up the RPM's of the motor significantly before the fan will build pressure enough to do anything.
Let me know which ones you were thinking about, I might be able to provide some insight.
T
I actually built one (electric supercharger), using a squirrel cage fan. It doesn't work (yet). It's on my Volvo wagon (don't ask). I need to up the RPM's of the motor significantly before the fan will build pressure enough to do anything.
Let me know which ones you were thinking about, I might be able to provide some insight.
T
07-09-2001, 10:28 AM
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Thaddeus, I'd like some insight into the electric supercharger offered at www.electricsupercharger.com please. They even have a HP guarantee.
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Try 2 electric leafblowers, $5 worth of PVC piping and glue, and an AC inverter. Mount the 2 leafblowers on the end of the pipe from the AFM to the intake manifold, use the PVC piping (maybe 2.5 "D?) with 45 degree elbows and use a 2 to 1 reducer PVC piece to join the two pipes into one to go into the intake pipe. Do the same thing on the intake side of the leafblowers, and reduce those to the AFM. This may work and flow enough air to actually see a difference. If not, try 3 electric leafblowers. I was going to do this to my VW fox, but it died before I got the chance. Total cost of the project may be under $100. If I had an n/a car right now (I have 2 turbocharged cars 
) I would try it. Only problem I see is that you may run into an electrical drain problem because I am sure leafblowers use lots of amps, and if there was an actual buildup of manifold pressure, you would have to get more fuel into the motor. Somebody try it and let us know how how it works.
) I would try it. Only problem I see is that you may run into an electrical drain problem because I am sure leafblowers use lots of amps, and if there was an actual buildup of manifold pressure, you would have to get more fuel into the motor. Somebody try it and let us know how how it works.
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Haha...kinda like this.
This one is attached to some Ford V6, if I remember correctly. The owner said it did help a lil bit in the lower RPM band, but when he revved the motor, it ran out of breath.
-Kierf.
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This one is attached to some Ford V6, if I remember correctly. The owner said it did help a lil bit in the lower RPM band, but when he revved the motor, it ran out of breath.
-Kierf.
--'79 Prelude.
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07-09-2001, 02:38 PM
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Exactly like that kierf ¿§? (alt-168-what ascii character-63)!!! My idea was to use two or even three leafblowers so you would be able to create enough flow to make a difference. Maybe next time I get a beater I will try it out. I don't remember the april fools joke PSU...what was it?
Kierf, you would probably need to put it between the AFM and intake manifold in our cars because the leaf blowers would blow the barn door open and cause the car to run verrry rich at low RPM's. If it sucks it open, then it should be corrected to however much airflow it contributes. The car in the picture appears to have a MAF.
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Kierf, you would probably need to put it between the AFM and intake manifold in our cars because the leaf blowers would blow the barn door open and cause the car to run verrry rich at low RPM's. If it sucks it open, then it should be corrected to however much airflow it contributes. The car in the picture appears to have a MAF.
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07-09-2001, 02:57 PM
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Come on, someone has to remember that! Or maybe it was so memorable cuz I was "had" by it?
Oh wow, the April Fools of 98 maybe, in the days of porschefans.com I believe...
On April 1, someone posted how he "got 25hp from an electric leafblower installed in his car" Written in this "factual" manner... I was new to the 944 and performance cars in general, and also rather nieve.
Wow suckered headfirst into that one, I was online shopping for 12v leafblowers that day!
Honestly, positive electrically provided manifold pressure (ha, PEPMP), might (stress might) provide a little better throttle response...
At the cost of:
High flow (rpms) performance
More junk in the intake system
High electrical load
And I'm sure theres more...
Ya know, it would be fun to shadetree rice an old escort for laughs... this would be on my list! "Powered by Toro" or "... Briggs & Stratton"!!!!
LOL, yeah, a whole Briggs leafbolwer stuffed in a fender with the pull cord extended to the outside.... LOL have to pull start your car! ROTFLMAO Is this Friday!
Oh wow, the April Fools of 98 maybe, in the days of porschefans.com I believe...
On April 1, someone posted how he "got 25hp from an electric leafblower installed in his car" Written in this "factual" manner... I was new to the 944 and performance cars in general, and also rather nieve.
Wow suckered headfirst into that one, I was online shopping for 12v leafblowers that day!
Honestly, positive electrically provided manifold pressure (ha, PEPMP), might (stress might) provide a little better throttle response...
At the cost of:
High flow (rpms) performance
More junk in the intake system
High electrical load
And I'm sure theres more...
Ya know, it would be fun to shadetree rice an old escort for laughs... this would be on my list! "Powered by Toro" or "... Briggs & Stratton"!!!!
LOL, yeah, a whole Briggs leafbolwer stuffed in a fender with the pull cord extended to the outside.... LOL have to pull start your car! ROTFLMAO Is this Friday!
07-09-2001, 03:34 PM
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I can see it now...the ultimate ricer, I'm gonna go pick me up a civic at the dollar store ( 
) and throw dual blowers on it dude...yeah so what if you have to pull start them, I'm hella cool now.
I'm just thinking how long will it be before we see a ricer with a cord or two sticking out through the hood or some side body pannel to pull-start his forced induction system
.
Then the next thing you know come this fall home depot / lowes and Honda will team up to offer a special civic that come complete with springs that they cut right there in the store for you, and they even give you some C-clamps to lower it even more if you want. And don't forget the special triple leaf blower supercharger forced air induction by Briggs and Stratton.
Sorry, thats just too funny...though I will admit I spent a few minutes on the electric superchargers site. Have a good day...anyone seen my sanity? (and its only Monday)
) and throw dual blowers on it dude...yeah so what if you have to pull start them, I'm hella cool now. I'm just thinking how long will it be before we see a ricer with a cord or two sticking out through the hood or some side body pannel to pull-start his forced induction system
. Then the next thing you know come this fall home depot / lowes and Honda will team up to offer a special civic that come complete with springs that they cut right there in the store for you, and they even give you some C-clamps to lower it even more if you want. And don't forget the special triple leaf blower supercharger forced air induction by Briggs and Stratton.
Sorry, thats just too funny...though I will admit I spent a few minutes on the electric superchargers site. Have a good day...anyone seen my sanity? (and its only Monday)
07-09-2001, 03:38 PM
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Hmm...I didn't even think about doing that to my '79 Prelude. I have a ton of open space in my engine bay. Hmmmm....?
Haha...
-Kierf.
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Haha...
-Kierf.
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I can see it clearly now, a couple of "ricers" come flying up to a stop light as it turns red.
The 80s v-tek (lol) revs it to punk a race... the civic hatchback dude took note of the V-Tek sticker, decides to bust out his secret weapon... he hops out, runs up to the front to this "T" thing, he puts a solid gleaming white Nike up on the bumper, reaches down with both hands and pulls the rip cord... now the buzzing bees sound more like mad hornets! Now V-Tek is wondering what hell is going on (after all, doesn't his V-Tek sticker say don't mess with me?), civic hatchback dude hops in as he puts on his driving gloves...
Green Light
The new hornets whail and the throttle to the "secret weapon" is pulled while the automatic is floored and he blows the yellow stickers off of V-Tek! In the flurry of passing hornet sounds you see in his rear window... "Powered by Briggs & Stratton RACING" (in 8" chrome yellow no less)
Humbly, V-Tek pulls into the nearest cheapskate rice performance shop (home imporvement warehouse) and maxes his credit card... Then to find some shiny new Nikes to coordinate his next adventure...
OMG
this is going too far! What a Monday, Is this the sign of a long week?!
Someone else's turn, I'm not writing anymore in this thread! LOL!
The 80s v-tek (lol) revs it to punk a race... the civic hatchback dude took note of the V-Tek sticker, decides to bust out his secret weapon... he hops out, runs up to the front to this "T" thing, he puts a solid gleaming white Nike up on the bumper, reaches down with both hands and pulls the rip cord... now the buzzing bees sound more like mad hornets! Now V-Tek is wondering what hell is going on (after all, doesn't his V-Tek sticker say don't mess with me?), civic hatchback dude hops in as he puts on his driving gloves...
Green Light
The new hornets whail and the throttle to the "secret weapon" is pulled while the automatic is floored and he blows the yellow stickers off of V-Tek! In the flurry of passing hornet sounds you see in his rear window... "Powered by Briggs & Stratton RACING" (in 8" chrome yellow no less)
Humbly, V-Tek pulls into the nearest cheapskate rice performance shop (home imporvement warehouse) and maxes his credit card... Then to find some shiny new Nikes to coordinate his next adventure...
OMG
this is going too far! What a Monday, Is this the sign of a long week?!Someone else's turn, I'm not writing anymore in this thread! LOL!
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Is there anywhere I can find specs out on leafblowers and the CFM they flow? I know this may sound stupid, but with enough leafblowers and the right tubing, I am sure you could get somewhat of a boost from them. Worst comes to worst, you can custom fab a bracket for a second altinator to drive all of the leafblowers. I think gas leafblowers would be too much of a pain, and you would get a funny look everytime you had to get out of your car to pull the ripcord when you wanted to race . But having electric ones on a switch, that would be trick. I don't know guys...we may be on to something here, but probably not. I am going to go outside, turn on my electic leaf blower, plug the end up with my hand, put my air pressure gauge in the end and see if it builds any pressure. I will let you guys know what I find.
. But having electric ones on a switch, that would be trick. I don't know guys...we may be on to something here, but probably not. I am going to go outside, turn on my electic leaf blower, plug the end up with my hand, put my air pressure gauge in the end and see if it builds any pressure. I will let you guys know what I find.