Notices
924/931/944/951/968 Forum Porsche 924, 924S, 931, 944, 944S, 944S2, 951, and 968 discussion, how-to guides, and technical help. (1976-1995)
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

CV joints replaced - messy, messy

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-26-2001 | 09:19 AM
  #1  
TomH's Avatar
TomH
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 552
Likes: 0
From: Annapolis, MD
Post CV joints replaced - messy, messy

Despite the greasy mess, I've got four new joints in place without a hitch. Hey, my clunking sounds are gone - go figure.

Just so I keep these guys in good shape, does anybody know the recommended regrease interval. I thought I read somewhere about every 30K miles, but I can't find that reference anymore.

Anybody ever replaced a differential flange gasket? I think my seal on the passenger side is leaking a little. Haynes makes it sound pretty straight forward. Anything I should watch out for?
Old 11-26-2001 | 09:39 AM
  #2  
jim968's Avatar
jim968
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 1,744
Likes: 2
From: Asheville,NC (Don't move here!!!)
Post

Tom, as long as the boots stay intact, I'm unaware of a recommended re-grease interval. Regreasing would require boot replacement, or at least the clamps. I think the grease is pretty well good for the life of the boot.

On the 944, my wrench suggested replacing the boots at about 80K miles. He cleaned the joints then & packed them with new grease. They were still doing fine when I sold it at ~110K.

Any time you're under the back of the car, look for thin lines of grease on the underside, slung out in the plane of rotation of the joints; that's a sure sign of a cracked boot. This inspection probably should be part of regular maintenance for all of us, at oil changes.

Then there was the Jetta he fixed for a guy who was broke; had to get to Miami for a family funeral. Injected new grease thru the cracked boot, and wrapped it all in duct tape. It made it there & back, and was driven around town for a couple of months before being properly fixed. The joint was _still_ good!

Jim, thru the AM fog.....literally & figuratively...

Jim,
Old 11-26-2001 | 10:31 AM
  #3  
Bryan's Avatar
Bryan
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 784
Likes: 0
Post

One thing you might want to do is wrap the section of your exhaust that passes over the driver's side axle with that heat-retaining exhaust wrap stuff. The heat from the exhaust toasts the driver's side axle.

Bryan
Old 11-26-2001 | 11:04 AM
  #4  
TomH's Avatar
TomH
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 552
Likes: 0
From: Annapolis, MD
Post

Jim, my original boots did not have the clamps you speak of that clamp the boot to the axle, and I don't have the proper wrench to crimp the ones I got with the CV joint kit, so I didn't put them on (I tried with a regular pair of pliers to no success - the clamps appear to be too small). The boots fit very snuggly over the axle, so why do I need these clamps?

On that note, why is it necessary to grease the inside of the boot? None of that grease is going to help the joints. Is it just ot help keep the boots lubricated from drying out?
Old 11-26-2001 | 12:17 PM
  #5  
Hans's Avatar
Hans
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,210
Likes: 0
From: Ams, NL
Post

Hi Tom
...proper wrench to crimp the ones I got with the CV joint kit...
If they look loke the OEM clamps, I use modified carpenters pliers, grinded the cutting edge off, worked fine so far.
...so why do I need these clamps?
To prevent any water & debri to get in to the boot (capillary gaps make water flow faster than you can even dream of).
You got to have them. Taking them all apart again for some clamps seems like s bit of a waste, so I suggest using the chemical resistant type of ty-raps (black with stainless lip) for now.
...is it necessary to grease the inside of the boot..
No. I think Jim ment that the content of grease last longer than the boot. This is also acc my experience.

CV joints normally last till the boot cracks open and the debri get in there. Boots are the limiting factor (for us normal mortals driving along with less than 300 HP that is.... )
Old 11-26-2001 | 01:49 PM
  #6  
TomH's Avatar
TomH
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 552
Likes: 0
From: Annapolis, MD
Post

I can still wrap the special clamps (or other types of clamps) around the boots and tighten them without pulling the axles.

Hans, if I don't need to grease the boots, why do the instructions (Excellence, Haynes, packaging the CV grease comes in) all say to place the remaining grease inside the CV boot?
Old 11-26-2001 | 03:00 PM
  #7  
jim968's Avatar
jim968
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 1,744
Likes: 2
From: Asheville,NC (Don't move here!!!)
Post

Tom, just a guess on the extra grease going into the boot... probably to keep the grease in the joint itself from just slinging out into the spaces in the pleats in the boot; makes sure that as the boot flexes with suspension travel, that some grease gets rubbed back onto the mechanical part of the joint. But it's _strictly_ a guess....

Jim, of course, it also helps keep the inside of the boot nice & shiney for concours judging... .. make sure y'all only use _factory_ grease there, now...
Old 11-26-2001 | 10:35 PM
  #8  
booster's Avatar
booster
Racer
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 389
Likes: 2
From: Asheville,NC
Post

On my dad's 500SLC the grease is more of a liquid than a gel, the grease in my CV's and boots was like play-dough but the boots were good, I put in synthetic CV grease (and new CV's).
Old 11-27-2001 | 06:04 AM
  #9  
Hans's Avatar
Hans
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,210
Likes: 0
From: Ams, NL
Post

Jim:
...to keep the grease in the joint itself from just slinging out into the spaces ...
Just that.
If you only fill the CV, the grease will travel to the boot in time, leaving not enough in the CV.
Just do not over fill the boot. there should be some air for expantion in there.
Tom, If you can get the clamps on, than that is definitively better than ty-raps.
I think the ones you have are "hose clamp"types with a little lg that needs to be squeezed in the neck of the lug. (more or less OEM style).
The tool for the squeezing I use is the modified carpenters plyers (or when in rush: steel wire cutter make Channelock, just between two fingers...)
Take care
Old 11-27-2001 | 09:37 AM
  #10  
TomH's Avatar
TomH
Thread Starter
Pro
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 552
Likes: 0
From: Annapolis, MD
Post

I still don't get the logic on this. Whether you put grease in the boot or not, the grease in the CV is still going to work its way out/off of the joint over time. In fact the boot area is offset from where the flange attaches to the joint so the two are totally separate issues.

Skip, are you there?
Old 11-27-2001 | 03:29 PM
  #11  
944Fest (aka Dan P)'s Avatar
944Fest (aka Dan P)
Unaffiliated
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,286
Likes: 209
From: Cleveland
Wink

My understanding of the "as much grease as possible" is to eliminate a lot of air in the boot. The CV drivers side, inboard, passes near the exhaust, and can get hot. If there is a significant air pocket in the boot, it heats up, expands, and pushes the grease out thru the band seals. I've seen this one firsthand. I've also heard that some people actually ad some sort of pressure relief valve to the boot to eliminate this problem, but it would be tricky to do without compromising the seal and or boot. With this problem in mind, there is no such thing as too much grease. (until the boot starts swelling!!)
IMHO
Old 11-28-2001 | 10:59 AM
  #12  
ast2000's Avatar
ast2000
Instructor
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
From: Denver CO
Post

The seal on the stub axle is easy to replace. Remove the bolt from the center of the axle (after removing the CV joint) and the part will slide out. The seal is right there. You will probably lose transmission fluid (I did mine when the transmission was out if the car) so check to be sure the fill plug can be removed before you start.



Quick Reply: CV joints replaced - messy, messy



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 02:22 PM.