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Old 12-11-2010, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 944CS
Not true, especially if the original process used a torque plate



Also, what is everyone going to do about the increased piston/cylinder wall clearance?
For the typical DIY'er at home, a torque plate is not necessary, nor going to be useful. 99% of all the DIY'ers are not going to have more than a 3 stone hone tool and a torque plate isnt going to do you any good due to the flex and geometry that is allowed in the tool. With a 10 or 12 head commercial hone tool and boring/honing machine, yes, you will want to use a torque plate, but I can tell you that you arent going to be using a 10 or 12 head tool by hand or even in the shop drill press....
Old 12-11-2010, 09:19 PM
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I'm thinking no one at home is going to have the surface roughness gauge that appears to be essential in verifying the success of the final paste steps.
Old 12-11-2010, 09:53 PM
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Jay - I agree with your statement that honing is not for the DIYers. I am more thinking about lapping the cylinders to increase the depth of the aluminum for increased oil/lubrication. It should not significantly change the cylinder diameter because the silica is not being removed.

It appears that the paste is not even needed when using the KS exposing stones. Regular honing oil can be used. I would just follow the recommended 30 second duration in the clockwise and then counter clockwise directions.
Old 12-12-2010, 11:25 AM
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Good luck. You got bigger cojones than me...
Old 12-12-2010, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by kobayashi
It appears that the paste is not even needed when using the KS exposing stones. Regular honing oil can be used.
Have you thought about how you're going to mount the stones? Seems like you could adapt one of the Lisle tools if you didn't want to buy the Sunnen hand tool.
Old 12-12-2010, 01:59 PM
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For those interested, here's a video of the Alusil lapping process made by the guy who did my block.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ek5qv8Nmg0
Old 12-13-2010, 07:57 PM
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My brother also has a rebuilt motor from John at Costa Mesa R&D. I would trust that dude with ANYTHING engine related.

I ended up there a couple times with him and John is my hero. I'm sure he's forgotten more about engines than I will every know...
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Originally Posted by AScholtes
For the typical DIY'er at home, a torque plate is not necessary, nor going to be useful. 99% of all the DIY'ers are not going to have more than a 3 stone hone tool and a torque plate isnt going to do you any good due to the flex and geometry that is allowed in the tool. With a 10 or 12 head commercial hone tool and boring/honing machine, yes, you will want to use a torque plate, but I can tell you that you arent going to be using a 10 or 12 head tool by hand or even in the shop drill press....
If you want to hone your Alusil block at home with a 3 stone drill and re-use pistons, be my guest but the fact that this is being encouraged isn't right
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and please nobody compare the fact that Jon didn't use a torque plate on the Mercedes V8 block to the inline 4 of the 944
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Originally Posted by 944CS
and please nobody compare the fact that Jon didn't use a torque plate on the Mercedes V8 block to the inline 4 of the 944
Why's that?
Old 12-17-2010, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 944CS
If you want to hone your Alusil block at home with a 3 stone drill and re-use pistons, be my guest but the fact that this is being encouraged isn't right
I wasnt encouraging it by any means. The point i was making is that the average DIYer is not going to have more than that at their disposal. Also... I will point it out that a torque plate was not being used in the video as like I said earlier, it is not necessary for this process, boring yes, honing, no...
Old 12-18-2010, 01:59 AM
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Let me ask you this: If I have a bare block in the garage which is waiting for me to save money for the machinist to hone it, what do I have to lose by trying to hone it myself first? If it doesn't come out well, I can just proceed to take it to the machinist.
Old 12-18-2010, 11:23 AM
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^^^I tend to agree. I don't think you could do much damage. If you do it wrong, it will just go back to the way it was before you honed it, albeit prematurely. It's a no-brainer if you just want new rings to seat.
Old 12-18-2010, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AScholtes
I wasnt encouraging it by any means. The point i was making is that the average DIYer is not going to have more than that at their disposal. Also... I will point it out that a torque plate was not being used in the video as like I said earlier, it is not necessary for this process, boring yes, honing, no...
He wasn't using a torque plate on that block because it is a V8 block and a torque plate will not make a difference....on an inline block this is a different story.
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Originally Posted by FRporscheman
Let me ask you this: If I have a bare block in the garage which is waiting for me to save money for the machinist to hone it, what do I have to lose by trying to hone it myself first? If it doesn't come out well, I can just proceed to take it to the machinist.
What pistons are you going to use?


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