Why the HUGE price diff between a CABRIO S2 and a COUPE S2
10-11-2002, 08:36 PM
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Dave,
The only vette that is worth more as a coupe than a convertible is the 63 split window.
Michael,
check out this months road & track. there is a nice article by some MB big shot in the 60s-70s outlining the whole SL history. If I recall the gullwing's production ended before the convertible's started. Something also about studebaker dealers selling the convert which killed sales.
NUT
Bates makes a point. Besides the two examples here what other coupe besides possibly some rare Bugatti is worth more than its sibling convertible.
My 68 Firebird is worth a good 50% more than a comparable coupe. With the US cars options have a lot to do with it.
A 60's coupe with a big block and a few options is worth more than the same car with a small block auto, and a rag. But a big block posi and a rag like the 8 '69 TA's are out of the stratosphere.
Luis
Your rarity figures don't mean much since the quantity is considered "mass" produced as far as collectors and resale go.
When mazda stopped production of the RX7 convertible in 92 there was a total of 22k made in a 5 year run. That same month the 250,000th miata rolled off the line.
Today my RX7 with a 28k sticker sells for about the same $$$ as a miata with a 16k sticker.
Go figure
And Lemon
Whats the deal with you? You only come out when the bater rears its ugly head. do you two know each other?
The only vette that is worth more as a coupe than a convertible is the 63 split window.
Michael,
check out this months road & track. there is a nice article by some MB big shot in the 60s-70s outlining the whole SL history. If I recall the gullwing's production ended before the convertible's started. Something also about studebaker dealers selling the convert which killed sales.
NUT
Bates makes a point. Besides the two examples here what other coupe besides possibly some rare Bugatti is worth more than its sibling convertible.
My 68 Firebird is worth a good 50% more than a comparable coupe. With the US cars options have a lot to do with it.
A 60's coupe with a big block and a few options is worth more than the same car with a small block auto, and a rag. But a big block posi and a rag like the 8 '69 TA's are out of the stratosphere.
Luis
Your rarity figures don't mean much since the quantity is considered "mass" produced as far as collectors and resale go.
When mazda stopped production of the RX7 convertible in 92 there was a total of 22k made in a 5 year run. That same month the 250,000th miata rolled off the line.
Today my RX7 with a 28k sticker sells for about the same $$$ as a miata with a 16k sticker.
Go figure
And Lemon
Whats the deal with you? You only come out when the bater rears its ugly head. do you two know each other?
10-11-2002, 11:16 PM
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here are a few from $9k to 12k, of course I did not look at them but the owners claim pretty nice
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here are a few from $9k to 12k, of course I did not look at them but the owners claim pretty nice
10-11-2002, 11:32 PM
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OK, since we're OT in this post now, take a look at something incredible - a NEW ZERO MILES MB Gullwing
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Read the story on this web site - it is even more amazing than the car having zero miles!
Every so often something truly amazing comes along in the automotive world. In 1954 it was the Mercedes-Benz 300SL, a sports car so strikingly advanced that it became the symbol of Mercedes' postwar renaissance.
Bob Doehler, a senior stylist at Studebaker-Packard, the South Bend, Indiana, automaker that would soon become the American distributor for Mercedes-Benz. Doehler's position ultimately allowed him to do something that no one had ever done before— purchase a 300SL part by part!
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Read the story on this web site - it is even more amazing than the car having zero miles!
Every so often something truly amazing comes along in the automotive world. In 1954 it was the Mercedes-Benz 300SL, a sports car so strikingly advanced that it became the symbol of Mercedes' postwar renaissance.
Bob Doehler, a senior stylist at Studebaker-Packard, the South Bend, Indiana, automaker that would soon become the American distributor for Mercedes-Benz. Doehler's position ultimately allowed him to do something that no one had ever done before— purchase a 300SL part by part!
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10-12-2002, 08:45 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Tom R.:
<strong> Luis
Your rarity figures don't mean much
since the quantity is considered
"mass" produced as far as collectors
and resale go. </strong><hr></blockquote>
You are correct in that the 924/944/968
cars were mass produced but that's beside
the point.
During the 10 years the 944 was
built, over 175,000 cars were coupes
versus only 5,640 cabrios worldwide,
plus 527 turbo cabs.
Moreover, the 356 is a highly collectible
Porsche yet over 75,000 cars were built
in its 15 years of production, and some
versions within the line are more rare
than others.
<strong> Luis
Your rarity figures don't mean much
since the quantity is considered
"mass" produced as far as collectors
and resale go. </strong><hr></blockquote>
You are correct in that the 924/944/968
cars were mass produced but that's beside
the point.
During the 10 years the 944 was
built, over 175,000 cars were coupes
versus only 5,640 cabrios worldwide,
plus 527 turbo cabs.
Moreover, the 356 is a highly collectible
Porsche yet over 75,000 cars were built
in its 15 years of production, and some
versions within the line are more rare
than others.
10-12-2002, 04:46 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by fpena944:
<strong>Luis, I always thought ASC (American Sunroof Company) did the conversion for the Cabrio in Stuttgart, not Bauer?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read this a while back in the book by Peter Morgan "Original 924/944/968." I don't own a copy of this book but IIRC, the Bauer Group was given the project and they in turn retained ASC to develop and design the convertible top mechanism itself.
<strong>Luis, I always thought ASC (American Sunroof Company) did the conversion for the Cabrio in Stuttgart, not Bauer?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read this a while back in the book by Peter Morgan "Original 924/944/968." I don't own a copy of this book but IIRC, the Bauer Group was given the project and they in turn retained ASC to develop and design the convertible top mechanism itself.
