Jeff928S4

Ok, here is the deal....

Saturday night I was out with two ex-girlfriends and another girl (I'll get to that in a second). Had a few too many White Russians and couldn't drive the 944S home. Ex #2 didn't have any drinks, so I let her drive us all home. She is a bit of a speed demon, but I didn't want to leave the 944 in a bar parking lot overnight. I will say first off that a 235 lbs man (myself) CAN fit in the back seat with another girl back there also - but having the sunroof out is a must. My head was sticking out the top. On every "power shift" ex #2 did, I wacked my head against the back opening of the sunroof.....thank goodness I was feeling no pain (I am today though)....

So - here is what happened. She drives the shiznit out of cars and wasn't letting up on mine while she drove it. She took it to at least 6000 rpms on every shift. Mind you, the car performed very well (I'm a bit of o' ***** when it comes to getting into the high revs). She was blowing away ricers left, right and center. It was actually pretty damn fun. We even got pulled over by the cops for "excessive over-Porsching" (those were his exact words). We were not speeding, but she was squeeling from every stop light and squeeling during 1st/2nd shifts and chirping heavily in the 2nd/3rd shift. The cop was very nice - after all there were three hot girls in this car. I would have been in jail if I had of driven like this. So, at one point I see the Rpms hit 7000 (I was watching them the whole time, scared to hell) and they just "stick there". She shifted from 2nd to third and the Rpms instantly hit 7000. I first thought she went from 2nd back to first, but the car didn't nose dive or anything.....it just revved very high. It stayed at 7000 rpm long enough for her to say, "What is going on....?" and for me to reply, "Clutch!! Clutch!!! Clutch!!!! Put in the (expletive) clutch!!!!". She did so and it settled back down. After this all happened there was a very strong burning rubber smell - it was most likely stronger than I would have noticed if I was driving because I had my head out the sunroof, so I got a good whiff. We pulled over in a gas station and I popped the hood and everything "looked" ok. The car didn't overheat or anything like that. The oil pressure was still perfect and the car has run splendidly ever since - it even seems to run better.

So, my Porsche-related question is.....what was that smell and what happened? What should I check? I will also add that I recently spend $4700 after a timing belt failure (so when this happened I almost pissed my pants, which was something I had to do anyway due to over White Russian consuption) and I also recently installed a chip that I know raises the rev limiter, so it didn't "bog" at 7000 (and perhaps a bit higher) Rpm's.

Now an OT question concerning the ladies..... For those of you who are not interested in hearing about my life soap opera, stop reading now.......but if you like helping a fellow Porsche owner with some Psychological advice, and are bored at work and want a good read, then (as Chief Wiggim said when he caught Homer and Marge having sex in their new pool)....."continue"...

Here is the deal-e-o. The two "ex's" I was out with have been a thorn in my side. Ex #1 is a girl I have been going out with for the past 5 years. Ex #2 is the ex-exotic dancer who I was dating 5 years ago (pics of her are available at the Pelican Board under the topic "Raced a Jeep last night, guess what happened" - sorry, no nudes, but still very nice pics...). I went back and forth between the two of them for about 4 months, 5 years ago. I have known the ex-exotic dancer since she was 15 - she is now 27. We are best friends. The bond is very close.

Ex #1 recently went into a mental hospital after a breakdown and started dating a fellow patient. They even had sex in the woods outside the hospital (sad, I know). She is wicked hot....that is why she is still in my life I guess (I'm very weak). She was "done with me" until ex #2 recently moved back from Florida. Ex #2 "moved in with me" as soon as she got here, but she also recently got out of a 5-year relationship and had to "end things officially" with this guy, so she went to his place and came back saying she wanted to be with me and wanted a good life (this other guy is a real jerk). Ex #1 has been all "I love you soooo much" ever since the threat of #2 arrived. I could choose between either one......but should I???

Something happened on Saturday night that really got to me. As we came in the house, all the girls were chatting about sex. Ex #1 (the dancer) saw a guy downtown who she had a fling with when she was 18 and she was commenting on how he brought out a side in her that nobody else ever did. Ex #1 was saying how the recent fling with this guy at the hospital (she is out now, by the way) brought out the same in her. As I'm listening to this conversation, I realize how disrespectful to me it is. I know they think of me as a great, close friend - but I have had sex with both of them. It made me feel really bad. It made me sort-of feel like I wasn't "getting the job done" in the sack. Mind You, they commented that "no other man has caused them to 'let loose' like these particular guys did", so I didn't feel singled out cause they said that this only happened with these particular guys - so it wasn't like every other guy besides me made them open up - just these two guy they were talking about.

I just really feel like they didn't think about how what they were saying would effect me. I was super-pissed. I mean, I have been the main guy in ex #1's life for the past 5 years. We lived together for 3 of those five years - yet she never "let loose" with me. I have known ex #2 for almost 12 years and have been intimate a few times and she never "let loose" with me either. I have a high enough self-esteem to not feel like I'm inadequate in bed, but the fact that they didn't take my feelings into consideration is what bugs me. They talked so openly right in front of me.

I know going back out with #1 would be ok. I still am having problems getting past the whole "sex in the woods" thing, but I do understand it. Heck, if I had a chance to be with someone else after only being with one person for 5 years, I would jump at it also....and after all, she was "done with me" and was girlfriend/boyfriend with said guy. I could take that route.

Ex #2 is a very close friend who is even hotter than #1 (check out the pics). We have always had this bond that is beyond a normal friendship. She really relies on me for advice and support and has always said we would end up getting married. Thing is, she is one of those beautiful girls who has a low self-esteem and seems almost like she is afraid to be happy. I think she thinks that she deserves to be miserable. This guy she is/was seeing treats her very badly, but she is having problems leaving him. She knows I would make her happier, yet, she is afraid to commit to me. We have been all "kissy kissy" since she has been back and she really seems like she likes me and wants to be with me. I know I make her happy. After what the two of them said Saturday night, I told them both that I wanted nothing to do with them and this girl cried her eyes out, so the emotion is there. I know that after she clears her mind of her ex, we also could have a good relationship......but I don't know if I can go thru that process with her. I know I should wait till she is totally free of him before I attempt to have a relationship with her - but she is still a choice.

Now to throw a wrench into the whole game.....I recently met a girl at my work (she is a client at the centre I work at). She is amazing. Very polite, classy and also very hot. She recently moved here to goto school for fashion design. I asked her out prior to ex #2 showing up and just after ex #1 started dating hospital boy. She reciprocated my asking her out with an exuberant "YES". I haven't explored this avenue, as I have been pretty busy with #1 and #2. At one point, ex #2 slept in my bed on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday night (then went to see her ex) and ex #1 spent Wednesday, Thursday and Friday in my bed and ex #2 was back for Saturday and Sunday, etc, etc (after returning from her ex's place). Also, when I went to pick up #2 at her ex's place, his drunk *** father came out the door and told me to "get the f**k out of here". I was all like, "I'm just her friend and she is just picking up some stuff". He then picked up his shoe and threw it at my car. I asked him what his problem was and he proceeded to rip the mailbox off his house and throw it at my car. I got out of there fast enough to avoid damage and had to wait for ex #2 down the street. That episode was a microcosim of what life is like for her at her ex's place. It's very bad....she does need to get out of that situation regardless if she ends up with me or not.

So, now I have three crossroads to go down....

1. Go back with ex #1 and work on the 5 years we already have. She is on medication still from being in the hospital and I find her really easy to get along with (isn't Lithium and Paxil a great thing....not!!!). She is a bit insecure, but has really grown over the years. I don't know yet if she is marriage material - but I really do care for her.

2. Start a relationship with ex #2 (after she is no longer hung up on this other guy). This girl has always been my "dream girl". She is so incredibly good looking that I wake up next to her and have to pinch myself every time. Being with her will hurt #1 very much - but she did leave me for hospital boy, so she has to expect I owe her little right now. This girl is also insecure and seems like she is afraid to be with someone like me because "it might actually be a good thing" (her own words). She seems like the type of person who isn't happy unless she is unhappy. I know she would do fine with me, given time. I would marry her in a heartbeat.

3. Press the re-set button on this Playstaion 2 game of life and start totally over by dating this new girl. This girl seems to be giving off a certain vibe I find amazingly refreshing. I feel like I've known her my whole life. Whenever she comes into my work and I see her, it turns on some light inside me. I think of her very often. She is also very, very attractive - almost kinda looks like #2 (the ex-dancer). She really seems grounded and mature and I think would compliment my personality. I don't see as many "problems" being with her.

H-E-L-P!!! This isn't a topic my friends can help me with. They all think I'm nuts and I kinda feel a bit of anger from them when the topic comes up. They see this whole "girl situation" as just a great big distraction from them being able to golf with me and hang at my place. My two best friends are like 30+ years old and still live at home (moved back in to pay off the student loans). They smoke entirerly wayyy too much weed and don't really have any goals. They just like attempting to kick my *** in NHL 2002 - that is their main goal in life right now as I can see it. They don't really help me out when I have problems - if it were up to them, I would stay single and just hang with the guys all the time.

I need advice in the worst way. I'm moving into a new house in the next couple of weeks and would like as little stress in my life as possible and this whole situation is stressing me out big time!!

Thank goodness I can take a spin in the Porsche as a stress reliever. It is the best medicine.

So, any advice/flames, pictures of "Coles Notes for 944S Boyee's post" from SHAUN or any input will be greatly appreciated. I really trust the advice from the folks here (both on my car and my life) - there are many, many insightful, smart people here....this is why I'm asking. Thanks....

944S Boyeee

M758

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OK,
I have run my 84 race car for 2 years in open track and now racing events.
I typically shift at 6k. Occasionally I push it past a 6k and have hit the stock rev limter a time or two. I have also hit the rev limiter a time or two when learning heal & toe downshifts. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Overall the engine has been fine. No problems. Actually ran 3 race days & 1 short Ax with ZERO oil consumption in 100F+ degree weather with Mobile 1 15w/50. Power seems really good.

Point is I do not think there is problem to run these cars up to redline over and over again. The smell may have been your girly friend frying the clutch.

PrerYDoG

First off: The smell (I'll get to the cause later).

The smell was more than likely your clutch. Ask me how I know what THAT smells like You prolly knocked off some miles off its life expectancy, but as long as you typically baby it, that shouldn't be a huge deal.

Second: The cause. You let an obviously irresponsible person drive your damn P-Car. Next time, if you don't want it at the bar, take another car or a cab to the bar, or hell, TOW it home! Sorry, there are some people in this life I consider my best, life long friends, and they don't have P-Car privelages, and neither should your ex (1 or 2..whichever, maybe both).


The girls: I think you hit it on the head with "Reset Button." Hotness doesn't ever make up for ****edupedness (I know, that's not a real word). Low self esteem ex, and out of mental hospital ex need to also respect your decision to see new future ex #3, since after all, they are just ex #1 and ex #2. Life's full of enough problems without solving everyone else's. Wait, isn't that what I'm trying to do here? Anyway...

Friends: I know you really can't pick who your friends are. Mine sit around and smoke way to much dope too, and give horrible advice reguarding just about everything. But, since I keep telling myself this, I'll tell you this too, get some new friends

Travis - sflraver

Topic 1: replace driver

Topic 2: Bitch slap the 2 ex-G.F.s and take the new girl for a spin. Change is good and it should keep the wear down on your car.

Jeff928S4

Three votes for "the new girl"!!!! Interesting...

I will let you all know - I will take all advice and base my decision on said advice, so basically the people of Rennlist will be picking my next girlfriend (if it even works out with the "new girl"). This is soooo helpful, seeing as I am totally stuck as to what to do. Rennlist will decide!!

As for the clutch burning - how would this be related to the high revs? Or is it just a coincidence that she razzzed the clutch at the same time as the high revs??

944S Boyeee

P.S. - and PrerYDoG, you are right about letting people drive the P-car. I will not be making that mistake again. She has been the ONLY person to drive it for any length of time....from now on, it's only me!!!

Perry 951

Problem 1 - Smell is probably a combination of clutch, and the multiple 6 grand runs burning off some of the crap on the motor. High revs produce more heat, therefore burning off the crap that your "feather foot" does not. Could also be clutch, but that smells more like **** than rubber.

Problem 2 - You need to ditch the 2 nut cases and try out door #3. If they are friends, then keep them friends. Take them to the bars now and then, have dinner and a cup of coffee here and there, but keep them out of your house. Make sure they know you want a friendship, not some ****ty drama. Ask Ribs about his famous 19 personality girl he dated. (or ask me about a chick who could not let go and put herself into the hospital because of it)

Problem 3 - Never EVER let someone drive your car who you do not trust. Ask many of us about the terrible experiences about that one.

PrerYDoG

Well, you rev it up real high and then shift its going to wear on your clutch more than if you keep it below 6K. If you're at 7, you're obviously even higher than normal. I'm guessing here that if she is driving like you describe, she's not very good with the clutch, either letting it out real slow (burning the clutch) or entirely too fast (causing the jolts you speak of, which is just plain hard on the car). If this is happening for extended periods of time (as it sounds like it did) that starts to heat up the clutch, over, and over, and over. Just ONE REALLY HARD launch can burn the clutch, but also LOTS of hard or at least abussive shifts w/o the clutch cooling down are going to hurt it.

I once heard a clutch has 3 minutes of life in it. Every engauge / dis-engauge takes off from that life (think, the normal shift is a fraction of a second in clutch time). If you are lettin it slip, you really eat into that 3 minutes of time quickly.

BigPorscheGuy39

I'm as impatient as your friends are, and I think I know why they're impatient with you. Lemme clarify some of your language confusions.

First, 'back and forth' means, basically, you were nailing them both, right?

Second, 'best friends' means 'whenever I'm pissed at my current girlfriend I call the stripper'.

Third, this special 'bond' with the stripper. Her presence makes the others nervous and you enjoy that nervousness.

Fourth, you say you are 'very weak'. That's crap. You're not 'weak'. You're predatory.

Fifth, you say your ex is 'sad' cause she got some in the woods with another patient? Sounds fine to me. So 'sad' here, in Boyee language, means 'it pissed me off so rather than take responsibility for it I'm going to make her out to be a nutcase'.

Stop making excuses and playing 'weak' and 'passive'. You are neither.

Sixth, you say another woman 'moved in with me as soon as she got here'. Let's rephrase that. You chose to cohabit with her. You were not passive.

Seventh, when you say one ex had to 'end things officially so she went to his place' what you really mean is she had some lingering questions, went over there, did the horizontal dance, and then came back to you for seconds, which made you angry, and that's why you call him a 'jerk'.

Probably the only thing you take responsibility for is in regards to the 'threat'. However, you found a way to weasel your way out of that problem by compounding the romantic complexities by adding a third and fourth female to the picture.

Should you go out with any of them? No. Someone might get pregnant. Besides, you don't feel for any of them beyond what they can do for you.

Passivity is a tool that you use to stay in a state of depressed indecision. This indecision buys you time to say to women "I don't know". And in this indecision lies your power. It allows you to eschew any inconvenient 'commitments' or 'promises', implicit or explicit, made to other women.

Even asking us here to solve your problem, to give advice, is part of your act of playing up on your helplessness. Passivity is your game. Rather than make a choice, you passively play about with language like 'friend'. Then you toss all of your 'friends' into your car to see one another, feel pain inside privately, and hope none of them has the guts to call you on your game.

What's astounding is that you got all of these terribly un-self-aware women into your car at once. That must've been a power trip. Must've felt good knowing each of them had fractions of the full story, yet you were pulling the strings. And each at various times removing their clothes to accentuate the drama.

Shakespeare used to have fun with triangles. But here I think he'd have trouble finding the 'art'. Probably the only poetic, truthful thing that happened, in my view, was a woman being able to find love in the bushes beside a mental hospital. Good on her. For a brief moment, she was the sanest person in your foursome, and the only person acting with any kind of real, directed, focused feeling towards another person. I hope they reunite.

Flat Six Addict

Yeah,

Definitely burnt the clutch. &lt;b&gt;DO NOT&lt;/b&gt; let that crazy girl drive your car again. I give females access to the shifter only... I control the clutch. I am Porscheless at this time. So the bench seat in my truck provides good access to the shifter, girls enjoy that!!!

Definitely go with girl #3. Girls w/issues are like Porsches mechanical problems. They cost lots of money and time, and more often than not, more stress than enjoyment. I had a girl that hung off of me for 5 years, treated me like crap, made girlfriends jealous, ate my wallet, was hard on my wheels and I'm still paying for her. Girl #3 for sure.

Good luck
Make your girlfriends drive their cars, if they want to smoke the clutch!!

Robert D

Just a thought, could the rubber smell have been a rubber-center clutch tearing through one of its dampeners? Or, the smell of your burned tires finally catching up with you.
-Robert D.

Travis - sflraver

I know I'm going to get flamed for this but....

Anyone who after reading BigPorscheGuy's reply is questioning his sexual prefrance raise your hand. A speel like that could only come from the mind of a woman, or a man who thinks he is one.

Flat Six Addict

What was that. Whew, obviously BigPorscheGuy39 was never young and dumb like the rest of us. Or maybe he was and is choosing to ignore it. Or like slfraver said...

Personally I'm only 21 and have not experienced that many girls yet. But I would definitely keep my options open as well, I don't have a girlfriend 24/7 but I always have options.

Go easy BigPorscheGuy39. Give the guy a break. At least he owns a Porsche....

Travis - sflraver

oh man... I just looked at my last post again.... I hope I dont get FLAMED....


ok... I made a funny.

Sorry, continue on with more mature convo. now . I am done.

BigPorscheGuy39

Being young isn't synonymous with being a bonehead.

What did you want? Should I just pick one of the women like Monty Hall asks us to do? If so, I pick...the stripper! Yeah! Go for the stripper! Believe me buddy, you don't want a smart one, they're trouble!

If a guy is playing the field unapologetically, by the way, I say, fine, go for it if that makes you happy. But at least be honest about it and don't present this to us as if you're the little boy all confused by the actions of all these bad, crazy women. That's just crap.

sweanders

About the car: If anything went terribly wrong you would have niced more than smell. When I bought my car it oftenly smelled like burnt gun powder after a hard run. Nowadays it never does.

About the girls: Hit reset and try the new game... :-D

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