Just thought I would load a few pictures from our shop. The first few are the Anderson Red car, its a NA converted to a turbo. 2.8 liter+ engine :-) BIg turbo, programable ECU, the works.

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The following are pictures from Jeff Grow's 944 Spec car that we are prepping with a new engine. This is the car we are taking to Buttonwillow this next weeknd.

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I have a ton more photos I'd like to share. I'll dig them up and start posting them:-)

Take Care!

 

Wow, that is a huge honkin' turbo... what is it exactly?

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by DangerIsland:
<strong>Wow, that is a huge honkin' turbo... what is it exactly?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Took the words right out of my laptop....

 

it's T series... mostly a T61?

you *could* make 600 hp w/ 60lbs of air per minute

 

We won't be shooting for 600 hp :-) The motor is being overbuilt for the amount of power we will run. It will be pushed hard all day at the mid 300's. Our goal was to use the best, and make the motor bullit proof for long races.

Luke is correct :-)

Take Care!

 

WHy did you stick w/ the KKK hot side?

it's gonna take ALOT of energy to compress that kind of air, I would think that you should have used a T61 comp wheel in a t4 housing, with a garret center/big shaft......

Hope that's not a 2.5 8v motor

you'd have to spin the puppies out of that thing.

 

how much would converting a n/a to turbo?

 

I'm sure that is dependant on what kind of power you want to make and what you intend to use it for.

 

Its not a KKK housing, why do you think it is? Its a huge hotside. P trim, and has to be mated to a three inch downpipe.

Actually, its alomost identicle to the turbo I had on my 951 wihen I built my 2.8 liter. Same inlet size, T-61 etc etc...I made 390HP at 16psi and 460lbs torque. These numbers came at 3700rpm. I'm sure you have seen the dyno charts of that same engine making 420 at the wheels, and 520lbs torque? Same rpm and same turbo. So...I thinnk it just might work on that 2.8 that I built for the red car :-)

Take Care!

 

Man I wish I had $10,000 to drop into my car right now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

 

strange, looks kkk to me, maybe it's getting darwfed by the comp housing.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by John Anderson:
<strong>
I made 390HP at 16psi and 460lbs torque.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">What could yo udo to phasilitate better breathing up top? sounds like it was time for larger valves?

 

i'd probably go with a mild upgraded turbo and MAF and hard pipes.im trying to go for 300hp.the usual setup:MAF kit,hard pipes w/BOV,front mount intercooler,test pipe to a apexi exhaust.if anything i would like to keep the enging stock then build from there.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by shortyboy:
<strong>i'd probably go with a mild upgraded turbo and MAF and hard pipes.im trying to go for 300hp.the usual setup:MAF kit,hard pipes w/BOV,front mount intercooler,test pipe to a apexi exhaust.if anything i would like to keep the enging stock then build from there.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">No reason to upgrade the intercooler. (It's already a front mount if you dont know that. A vented nose panel isn't too pricey and works well) No need for a BOV for that matter, a CBV that circulates back to the intake would actually work better.

I assume you mean 300RWHP? If you mean flywheel then all you need is the MAF or MAP and exhaust and you'll be good to go.

 

Luke,

I don't exactly understand your question. I'm not being rude, I know your just conversing..so am I. But what do you mean when you say it looks like it was time for larger valves? A tick under 400 hp at the wheels at 16psi, with 460 lbs torque at 3700 rpms? Maybe I'm not getting the questions..but I also stated the motor that made these numbers, also put 420 at the wheels with 520 lbs torque at a few psi more..Maybe I could have gone a little crazy with the intake ports and bigger valves, but as I saw it, I hit my goals with that motor. It made huge numbers..I would hazard a guess, that it would be hard to find a motor that simple putting those numbers down, and it made it with out too much effort.

Remember, the race engine I'm building for our red car is based on the same numbers and ideas. I like to keep it simple. I know a lot of people like to overkill the program with more than is really needed, but not me...simple and bare, thats the best for the track. The engine I built that put those numbers down was very basic..and would not run half as much to build as I see most builders quoting on this board. Forget what you heard from a friend, forget what you THINK might work based on what that guy said..Fancy numbers and calculations are great, but only as a starting point to a plan. Actuall conditions often prove theory wrong, and you build on those findings. I've been lucky, I have had many motors to work on, many platforms to hone a skill. I have had countless people tell me "it won't work", only to see them eat crow. I understand, I am a Tuner, I most likely have more resources available to me for trial and error. As a car owner, most of you research, and then research your research, and it all gets foggy and costly because its YOUR ONLY car and you want it to be the best and get evry pound for your buck spent.

Now, let me ask what you think a 420hp/520torque REAR wheels all day motor would run? I have the numbers, the cost, and the dyno charts to show.

I see alot of posts about engine management setups, bigger this..intercooler that...flow rates up the wazoo...MOst of that was thrown in the brink when I built the motor :-)

Here is what that motor consisted of:

Stock fuel pump. Even old at that, I never changed it.
Stock downpipe.
Stock intercooler.
Stock fuel lines.
Stock fuel rail.
Stock intake manifold.
Stock headers.
Stock water pump.
Stock wiring harness.
Stock oil cooler.
Stock radiator.
Stock oil pump.
Early model stock oil pan.
Cup Clutch (lasted forever)
Stock crossover pipe.
52# injectors.
Simple MAF kit.
106mm bored block
JE pistons
Race prepped crank.
Pauter rods.
Stock waste gate.
Greddy blowoff valve.
OLD used HKS boost controller.
61-1 turbo. (same as the red car pics)
Adjustable FPR.

As you can see, its a very basic, bullet proof engine. So, to the point again, maybe I might have gaine a few more numbers from bigger valves, but would you be able to tell me how much more power I would have gotten? Or better yet, can you tell me how much power it would get me, and its cost per HP over what was already insane for a street car :-) YOu see my point?

Take Care!

 

I'd like to start off by saying I'm sure you have a TON of time invested in your works.... and I respect you.

But, if you were to dyno Woody's motor, $5 says he doesn't make more tq than HP... well, not THAT much more

well, i've seen about 20 different kindsa cars on the dyno ( in the shop ) all make a million + hp in different ways.....

i'm sure you know this, but i'm just talking out loud hoping like I"m not sounding liek i'm rambling....

hp is imaginary...... hp is tq X engine speed / 5252 rpm....

460tq is massive for only 390 rwhp.... and in order to make a large tq # like that for only 390 rwhp, you would have to realize that that PEAK tq is made down low.....

if you were breathing up top closer to 5252rpm *or you tq didn't fall so steeply... you would make SIGNIFICANTLY more hp (power)

everybody says that "torque" moves your car.... this is NOT true....

especially when you are spinning your motor fast, most of the time.

WEll, it's not true ABOVE 5,252 rpm

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• <font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">tq is a value, used to represent the energy is combustion, at a given rpm ( the twisting force on the crank applied in each cycle. )</font></li>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">hp , Is that tq value....... times how many times it's actually applied in a minute</font></li>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">tq usually drops off above 5,252 rpm</font></li>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">BUT, since the tq is multiplied by the RPM, hp increase still...</font></li>

<font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">the reason your TQ is so much large than your HP is expained by the fact that you are Unable to flow the air up top efficiently for some reason.... most likely because of a cyl. head issue (valves too small)