</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"> if the entire reason this war is on is to eliminate fear in the American public.....I ask you all, where is this fear now? Shouldn't everyone in America be hiding till this is over? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">First of all, we've been told to go about our normal lives. (You know, like working...since we're the 5% of the world's population that produces 43% of the world's economic output.)

Secondly, the fear you reference concerns what will happen if Saddam is allowed to CONTINUE his nuclear/biological/chemical weapons programs.

We learned a big lesson on 9/11/2001. We're not going to sit back any more, espouse the virtues of democracy and the UN, sing Kum-Bah-Yah, and wait for these terrorist groups and dictators to attack us. We're taking the fight to them. No apologies.

The world will be a better and safer place when Iraq is disarmed and Saddam Hussein is stripped of power. The Iraqi people will be better off. And this could pave the way for a new Middle East, one free of torturous dictatorships.

Hopefully, the bulk of the Iraqi military will surrender and this will end with a minimum of bloodshed.

 

I think maybe your remarks, however unoffensive as they may have been intended, may be construed as insensitive at a time when Americans are very sensitive of these issues, and might be viewed as trying to "stir things up" And also indirectly suggesting that they should be hiding, could insinuate that the American populace is lacking courage, and that is something any American (let alone any nationality) is going to defend with conviction.

 

OT or not, war just blows. screw war and death.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

 

You know plenty of people post some very OT stuff in this forum, and while some people complain about it, whent he guy posts something that's actually relevant to the life of everybody in this country, and pretty much the rest of the world also he catches all this. It's just like any other OT post. Don't read it if you don't want to. Personally I like hearing all the different opinnions without having to go to some political BS forum to hear what some people think.

Chill, and discuss in a civil manner or just don't go to this thread.

Now that I said that, time for you to hear mine! I think the government may have known about it, but I blame the Clinton administration for them not knowing more. He practically crippled the CIA in a big way, probably to cover his own @$$ and all the crap he was doing. Maybe they still knew, I don't know.

As far as this war goes, I hate to say I'm promoting a war, but I think it's about time a president got up and told it like it is. NOTHING would ever get done through the UN and everybody knows it. I think it's a damn good demonstration that anybody who conspires against this country better be afraid because right now, they can't hide behind all the political crap. At least now we have a leader who isn't afraid to get things done and isn't worried about making the rest of the world happy, he's protecting OUR interests and everyone who shares them. All these countries protesting are doing it just for the cause. If a bomb landed in their backyards they'd be screaming revenge just as quick as anybody else.

 

kgain968......

Thanks for pointing that out. I really didn't think asking that would somehow get misconstrewed into me thinking the American people are lacking courage. Holy crap no - that's the farthest thing from what I think. If anything, I think Americans have too much courage sometimes (in a good way).

I'm not trying to stir things up. I guess I was under the assumption that Iraq had nukes right NOW. The fact that the war went ahead, even against all the opposition from the UN and the public, made me think that Saddam would HAVE to have nukes in order for this attack to take place. I guess not......I was just trying to use common sense.

So, what is the deal here??? Does he have nukes or not??? I may be wrong - but I remember Bush saying he was capable of shooting off a nuke at one point. I thought this was the whole point of this war - to disarm Saddam of nukes and/or other weapons on mass destruction. Am I wrong about that also? I really don't know anymore.....

944S Boyeee

 

I don't think he HAS them yet, but is very close to developing them, and we don't want to let him do that. It's not Iraq we're worried about. They COULDN'T launch a missile at the U.S. We've got way too much spy equipment, tracking stuff etc. But terrorists who could be anywhere in the world that he would surely sell them to is the problem.

Liberating Iraq is also a plus, I mean the first people to line up behind us in this thing are countries we freed from tyranny like this, they know what's at stake and how much better they are since.

 

I was born in Washington DC.

I live just outside the city. Not far from where the Pentagon was attacked. I don't wear gas masks and I haven't taped my windows. I hear fighters go over my house every night. I hear them as I type this response. I see missle launchers around the city. We see and feel the threat.

I felt the threat hiding under my desk as a young boy during the Cuban missle crises.

I know fear does not help.

I sometimes wonder why I haven't moved away from this area.

The answer is, this our home. We may die staying here. We will live fully while we are here, and defend our way of life.

We will not wait to be attacked. The great man, Winston Churchill wouldn't have, nor shall we.

 

dave: war or not, i think (and IMO) people tend to always do things that are in their own best interest. fortunately or unfortunately, george is doing what he thinks is in the "country's" best interest. but i believe that he has ulterior motives that stem from pride (avenging his father) to politics (makes for a good re-election) to profit (contracts have already been handed out for control of the oil fields, <a href="http://www.forbes.com/technology/newswire/2003/03/19/rtr912071.html" target="_blank">Halliburton</a>) to merely "power". but this is all in good discussion (OT or not). If anyone has studied noam chomsky, we know that "propaganda" or media from the government cannot be trusted (as true and/or correct). also, i'd like to say that if we were to attack anyone (god forbid) that the govt should attack someone who has bigger ***** than Hussein. Like N. Korea or some other "evil" empire! Nuff said. If this thread can't be discussed in a civil manner.... guess i'll just have ignore it! Oh well!

 

Dave...

You are the first person I've talked to who has made me see why Bush may be doing what he is doing. Maybe he (and the administration) have just plain said - "in order to get the results we need/want, drastic measures are needed - risks must be taken". Perhaps that risk factor is why there is so much opposition?

My comments on 9/11 are, in no way, an attempt to make it look like Bush "planned" 9/11. I agree that he didn't want 3000 dead on his watch...but without 9/11, he may have had to be the President who lost hundreds of thousands, if not Millions on his watch. Perhaps it was a trade-off he was willing to take. He has made a lot of unpopular moves and is willing to take risks to get the end results....I guess that is why I question the events of 9/11 and if that event was a major cog in the plans.

It would be horrible if those people died because they pretty much had to in order for the lives of millions to be saved. That means EVERY victim of 9/11 is a National Hero.

944S Boyeee

 

944SBoyee,

I apologize. Based upon some posts I've read in the OT forum, I assumed you were attempting to start a flame war here. I really didn't think you wanted to know why Americans are still posting to this board.

Things are just as normal. Went to class today, in uniform (cammies). One person in particular asked me how I was doing as I walked by, never met him before. He just smiled and said hey. Thought that was nice.

Things are normal on our end. Our military is taking care of business on the business end. If Saddam is able to take the fight to our shores, it won't be a missle. It will be a WMD in a suitcase or some other means such as that (basically what we've all heard about for the last 2 years).

There is no reason to run and hide. Really nothing for me has changed, because it is my normal day to have FOX NEWS on at all times when I am home, and when I'm on the computer I listen to it in the back ground, much like I am right now.

Does anyone else think it's FRIGGIN COOL we haven't shut the lights out in Baghdad yet? We want the Iraqi people to know we aren't after them, and they said it wouldn't change the outcome of the war a single day.

I love technology. But the technology is only as good as the men and women running it, and we've got the best!

-M

 

I think that "weapons of mass destruction" refers to nuclear, biological, and chemical weaponry.

It's a safe bet that Saddam has biological and chemical weapons (he used them on the Kurds in 1988) and has been actively seeking nuclear.

Warren Buffet has predicted - without hesitation - that an American city will eventually be attacked with nuclear weapons. It will happen. It may happen very soon. But removing Saddam Hussein from power and disarming Iraq now makes it less likely to happen in the near future.

 

Hi Folks,

There are a number of threads just like this on the OT Forum - so, if you don't mind - I'm going to move that there, and close this on here...

Yes - I have left topics like these open on other Forums (like the 964 Forum - which you can read here:

<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/cgi-bin/rennforums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=003887" target="_blank">964 thread.....</a>

But I think in my mind - this thread is a little different than that thread. I hope you agree.

As well - I hope you continue this conversation in the OT Forum - I'll copy this thread in a moment. Also - you can get to the O.T. Forum by <a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=28" target="_blank">CLICKING HERE....</a>

 

Wow!

 

I guess im at peace knowing that Saddam is in hell, having very deep conversations with Satan.

 

oh damn! peckster you revived an old thread!