S2 Power Increase with Stand-alone ECU?
#77
Thanks for the detailed reply, Eric, but as you can see from my post above, my conceptual problem might be more basic than this. I didn't think extra flow in itself would increase the AFM voltage, only a change in position of the air flap would do that, i.e. WOT returns max voltage regardless of the volume of air actually flowed.
PS - WOT will only give max voltage at high rpm - you can still have WOT at low revs and be well under the AFM measuring limits.
#78
Ok, but what causes the angle of the barn door to change?
#79
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I.e., when the vane/flap/barn door is fully open? Yes? Nothing more to it than that? (Apologies for the mini-hijack -- I thought from what you were saying there might be more going on in an AFM than I thought.)
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hp = lb/hr x 2.04, which gives about 240hp (29.2 x 4 x 2.04) for the S2. Similarly, using turbo injectors (37.6 lb/hr) gives you get about 305hp. 968s gives 33.9 x 4 x 2.04 = 275hp.
This gives an idea why with some tuning you will not get a power increase without uprating the injectors (or fuel pressure).
This gives an idea why with some tuning you will not get a power increase without uprating the injectors (or fuel pressure).
#81
#82
Interesting stuff. Let me know how you go with your supercharger kit.
I would have thought you still needed some sort of pressure reduction in the intake when going off throttle - otherwise wouldn't that pressure wave coming back upset the AFM?
#83
Suprised no one else brought this up. What about just using MaxTune? I downloaded the trial "example" version and it allows for a lot of control. Probably not as much as a Motec but for the money it looks like the way to go in adjustable tuning.
Right now I'm planning on using MaxTune when I supercharge my NA, but thats going to be a long time from now. Is there some reason no one has mentioned MaxTune?
Right now I'm planning on using MaxTune when I supercharge my NA, but thats going to be a long time from now. Is there some reason no one has mentioned MaxTune?
#84
Suprised no one else brought this up. What about just using MaxTune? I downloaded the trial "example" version and it allows for a lot of control. Probably not as much as a Motec but for the money it looks like the way to go in adjustable tuning.
Right now I'm planning on using MaxTune when I supercharge my NA, but thats going to be a long time from now. Is there some reason no one has mentioned MaxTune?
Right now I'm planning on using MaxTune when I supercharge my NA, but thats going to be a long time from now. Is there some reason no one has mentioned MaxTune?
#85
This is my understanding of how to use MaxTune.
Ostrich2 costs $175
MaxTune costs $150
Mulitboard (MaxHp product that replaces the ostrich when your done tuning, and holds 8 chip images. Not necessary but I'd be getting one) costs $100
Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.
#86
Nope - no different to the NA situation. There is nothing but pipework between the butterfly and the AFM.
#87
Suprised no one else brought this up. What about just using MaxTune? I downloaded the trial "example" version and it allows for a lot of control. Probably not as much as a Motec but for the money it looks like the way to go in adjustable tuning.
Right now I'm planning on using MaxTune when I supercharge my NA, but thats going to be a long time from now. Is there some reason no one has mentioned MaxTune?
Right now I'm planning on using MaxTune when I supercharge my NA, but thats going to be a long time from now. Is there some reason no one has mentioned MaxTune?
You still need to figure out a system for logging tuning parameters eg WBo2/RPM/duty cycle/AFM/advance etc etc though. This is where Vitesse can help...
#88
Yes, good call. I had brain fade when I listed options for tuning the Motronic. If you're using the original AFM then the Motronic is very good at doing what it was designed for, and Maxtronic good for tuning it.
You still need to figure out a system for logging tuning parameters eg WBo2/RPM/duty cycle/AFM/advance etc etc though. This is where Vitesse can help...
You still need to figure out a system for logging tuning parameters eg WBo2/RPM/duty cycle/AFM/advance etc etc though. This is where Vitesse can help...
I remember someone posted on here that they were having trouble guessing what the throttle input was during live tuning and asked Russell Berry if he could make MaxTune highlight which part of the maps the DME was currently using. I I'm pretty sure Russell said he could do it but I have no idea if this feature is in MaxTune as of now.
If the purpose of a tuning parameter logging device is what I described above, and Russell did put the feature I described into MaxTune then you shouldn't need a tuning parameter device. Right?
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