Rude accident on my street the other night, 4dead 1 crit
04-03-2003, 01:54 AM
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Rude accident on my street the other night, 4dead 1 crit
4 kids were killed, down my street the other night passing someone to fast in a 5.0 mustang. Hit the oncoming car, broke their car in to 2 pieces. All 4 kids in the stang were thrown out of the car. Dental records were used to identify 3 of the bodies, while the on comer burned to death in his firebird coming home from work. The fifth is about to be unplugged, his parents decision. The scary thing is, I drive that road nearly 4 times a day 
I wish our government would impose a age to power ratio. What kind of parent buys their kid a 5.0L mustang for their first car. Sorry for the rant JUST so tragic having to drive by those crosses everyday thinking that could have bin my cross <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
I wish our government would impose a age to power ratio. What kind of parent buys their kid a 5.0L mustang for their first car. Sorry for the rant JUST so tragic having to drive by those crosses everyday thinking that could have bin my cross <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
04-03-2003, 02:10 AM
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The driving exam has a lot to answer for.
It is way too easy and too cheap to get a DL.
should be compulsory training in a comprehensive program of safety, crash avoidance, braking, car control, inclement weather, and other advanced driving techniques.
Should cost at least a couple thousand to get a DL.
that way there you would not only have a well trained driver but one that also respects the privilege.
The costs would be recovered by the reduced accident rate for new drivers, thus reduced premiums.
It is way too easy and too cheap to get a DL.
should be compulsory training in a comprehensive program of safety, crash avoidance, braking, car control, inclement weather, and other advanced driving techniques.
Should cost at least a couple thousand to get a DL.
that way there you would not only have a well trained driver but one that also respects the privilege.
The costs would be recovered by the reduced accident rate for new drivers, thus reduced premiums.
04-03-2003, 02:38 AM
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The things is....no matter how much driver training and accident prevention they receive....it is just the nature/attitude of youths and youths in general to act recklessly even if they know better. I don't think there is anyway to prevent them from acting this way unfortunately.
04-03-2003, 02:46 AM
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When I was in High school a car full of 4 kids took out a tree in my front yard. The two girls in the front died instantly. The two guys in the back it took them two hours to get them out. One of the girls lived across the street.
I believe it was a toyota.
About a year later I took out a living room in my 80 Ford Fairmont.
It's not the car.
Interestingly enough, a nice 944 NA is a good car for a youngster. Nice enough that they want to take care of it. Agile enough that it can put up with shenanigans, strong enough to protect them in an accident, and not enough power to get them in trouble.
I believe it was a toyota.
About a year later I took out a living room in my 80 Ford Fairmont.
It's not the car.
Interestingly enough, a nice 944 NA is a good car for a youngster. Nice enough that they want to take care of it. Agile enough that it can put up with shenanigans, strong enough to protect them in an accident, and not enough power to get them in trouble.
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04-03-2003, 02:55 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by SidViscous:
<strong>a nice 944 NA is a good car for a youngster. Nice enough that they want to take care of it. Agile enough that it can put up with shenanigans, strong enough to protect them in an accident, and not enough power to get them in trouble.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is VERY true. I have seen countless friends wreck their cars and abuse them. I'm glad I had the 944 because it makes you want to take care of it and not let anything happen to it.
I'm sorry to hear about the loss of life. Always unfortunate for anyone that young to die.
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<strong>a nice 944 NA is a good car for a youngster. Nice enough that they want to take care of it. Agile enough that it can put up with shenanigans, strong enough to protect them in an accident, and not enough power to get them in trouble.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is VERY true. I have seen countless friends wreck their cars and abuse them. I'm glad I had the 944 because it makes you want to take care of it and not let anything happen to it.
I'm sorry to hear about the loss of life. Always unfortunate for anyone that young to die.
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04-03-2003, 04:47 AM
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I agree with kgain968 - it doesn't really matter if you know all about safety but choose to ignore that and drive like a madman anyway.
K27, interestingly enough in here one has to be 18 to get a license, and it costs around 1500 € for all the necessary driving lessons, tests etc... and failing either the written part (where they test your knowledge of traffic rules) or the actual driving part (where you drive around with an instructor on board for 30 minutes or so) is actually very common for first-timers.
Then, when one gets the license, it's called stage 1 driving permit - you can drive around, but two speeding tickets takes that privilege right off... and after a year, you can take a few more lessons and get the normal driver's license which is valid for 50 years or so.
Of course, given the taxation of cars and all other social differencies between some other countries, most families have just one car - which is usually a mid-sized sedan or a wagon. If there is a second car, it's most likely a VW Polo or an equivalent small shopping appliance. So for the first few years, the young one with a brand new license will be driving the dad's car - and knows that it must stay in shape, thus probably taking extra care everywhere..
... and guess what? A lot of young people still crash, get injured or even die b/c of traffic accidents in here.
I think there must be something else to it than just making it harder to get a license and a car...
S2nut, I don't know which is worse - seeing people die, or knowing it could happen to you/me as well ... take care, and drive safe!
(sorry for the long post!)
K27, interestingly enough in here one has to be 18 to get a license, and it costs around 1500 € for all the necessary driving lessons, tests etc... and failing either the written part (where they test your knowledge of traffic rules) or the actual driving part (where you drive around with an instructor on board for 30 minutes or so) is actually very common for first-timers.
Then, when one gets the license, it's called stage 1 driving permit - you can drive around, but two speeding tickets takes that privilege right off... and after a year, you can take a few more lessons and get the normal driver's license which is valid for 50 years or so.
Of course, given the taxation of cars and all other social differencies between some other countries, most families have just one car - which is usually a mid-sized sedan or a wagon. If there is a second car, it's most likely a VW Polo or an equivalent small shopping appliance. So for the first few years, the young one with a brand new license will be driving the dad's car - and knows that it must stay in shape, thus probably taking extra care everywhere..
... and guess what? A lot of young people still crash, get injured or even die b/c of traffic accidents in here.
I think there must be something else to it than just making it harder to get a license and a car...
S2nut, I don't know which is worse - seeing people die, or knowing it could happen to you/me as well ... take care, and drive safe!
(sorry for the long post!)
04-03-2003, 07:27 AM
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Sami, I agree. Making it more expensive and harder to a liscense doesn't make people drive any better. Some people just don't have the common sense that it takes to drive a car, but they do have the desire to go fast. I don't think there is any way to make the problem go away.
We're all gonna go someday, I hope we all make it to our 78.2 years and then we can all go crazy after that. I think I'll try to set the land speed record then... maybe in a yugo.
We're all gonna go someday, I hope we all make it to our 78.2 years and then we can all go crazy after that. I think I'll try to set the land speed record then... maybe in a yugo.
04-03-2003, 09:42 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by SidViscous:
<strong>Interestingly enough, a nice 944 NA is a good car for a youngster. Nice enough that they want to take care of it. Agile enough that it can put up with shenanigans, strong enough to protect them in an accident, and not enough power to get them in trouble.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Not necessarily. My dad's plea to try to get me to take care of my cars always included the story of his high school buddy who got a brand new 67 Mustang and ran it in to the ground in a few years. Giving someone a nice car that they aren't going to respect anyway may just make them respect the rest of their cars that much less.
<strong>Interestingly enough, a nice 944 NA is a good car for a youngster. Nice enough that they want to take care of it. Agile enough that it can put up with shenanigans, strong enough to protect them in an accident, and not enough power to get them in trouble.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Not necessarily. My dad's plea to try to get me to take care of my cars always included the story of his high school buddy who got a brand new 67 Mustang and ran it in to the ground in a few years. Giving someone a nice car that they aren't going to respect anyway may just make them respect the rest of their cars that much less.
04-03-2003, 10:41 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by SidViscous:
<strong>Interestingly enough, a nice 944 NA is a good car for a youngster. Nice enough that they want to take care of it. Agile enough that it can put up with shenanigans, strong enough to protect them in an accident, and not enough power to get them in trouble.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">i'll have to respectfully disagree with you here... its got plenty of power to get into trouble with... if you know how to drive it... then again that depends on your definition of trouble, i've had one speeding ticket, that was me being dumb in my highschool years, but since then i've toned it down, and push the car a little harder in the corners then on the long straights such as highways and whatnot.
i partly agree with your statement, you should have just added the caveat that the kid be forced to pay for it. i've paid for my car, and i'll do NOTHING stupid or dangerous in it as to endanger me or anyone else. i will however drive it hard and enjoy it when its safe to do so... i.e. when no one else is around, and even then by not pushing it totally to the limit.
we need stricter driving tests and education programs... much stricter. not to mention mommies and daddies who dont buy junior whatever he/she wants.
<strong>Interestingly enough, a nice 944 NA is a good car for a youngster. Nice enough that they want to take care of it. Agile enough that it can put up with shenanigans, strong enough to protect them in an accident, and not enough power to get them in trouble.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">i'll have to respectfully disagree with you here... its got plenty of power to get into trouble with... if you know how to drive it... then again that depends on your definition of trouble, i've had one speeding ticket, that was me being dumb in my highschool years, but since then i've toned it down, and push the car a little harder in the corners then on the long straights such as highways and whatnot.
i partly agree with your statement, you should have just added the caveat that the kid be forced to pay for it. i've paid for my car, and i'll do NOTHING stupid or dangerous in it as to endanger me or anyone else. i will however drive it hard and enjoy it when its safe to do so... i.e. when no one else is around, and even then by not pushing it totally to the limit.
we need stricter driving tests and education programs... much stricter. not to mention mommies and daddies who dont buy junior whatever he/she wants.
04-03-2003, 12:04 PM
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Ok guys here is my $.02
I agree 100% that it is way too easy to get a license at least in the states. But I can see problems with raising the cost of getting one here. For starters the public transportation system in the states is non-existant compared to that of Europes. And with no public transportation and comparatively long distances traveled to get somewhere you have to have car or something motorized to get around. If you raise the price of a DL in order to make one harder to attain for young people you alienate the less fortunate people who can't hardly afford the $20 it costs now. These are the same people who may take out your trash or clean your house. If they can't get around then who will do it. Or will we the consumer have to pay for it because now the cost for the same task has gone up. Because the trash company has to pay more to their employees in order to get them into work because they need to pay more to get a license. Just a thought.
I think that the Government here as bad as it may sound has taken the stand that the loss is something that just comes with the territory. For the couple of lives lost due to ignorant children is nothing in comparison to the cost and headache that associated with overhauling the DMV.
Insurance companies do charge premiums to youngsters and I think that is a big deterant for kids to drive fast. I know that it was and still is a big deterrant for me.
Ultimately it is up to the parents to set guidelines for their children as far as what kind and type of car the are allowed to have. Whether they (the parents) pay for it or not. I mean isn't that the parents job?
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I agree 100% that it is way too easy to get a license at least in the states. But I can see problems with raising the cost of getting one here. For starters the public transportation system in the states is non-existant compared to that of Europes. And with no public transportation and comparatively long distances traveled to get somewhere you have to have car or something motorized to get around. If you raise the price of a DL in order to make one harder to attain for young people you alienate the less fortunate people who can't hardly afford the $20 it costs now. These are the same people who may take out your trash or clean your house. If they can't get around then who will do it. Or will we the consumer have to pay for it because now the cost for the same task has gone up. Because the trash company has to pay more to their employees in order to get them into work because they need to pay more to get a license. Just a thought.
I think that the Government here as bad as it may sound has taken the stand that the loss is something that just comes with the territory. For the couple of lives lost due to ignorant children is nothing in comparison to the cost and headache that associated with overhauling the DMV.
Insurance companies do charge premiums to youngsters and I think that is a big deterant for kids to drive fast. I know that it was and still is a big deterrant for me.
Ultimately it is up to the parents to set guidelines for their children as far as what kind and type of car the are allowed to have. Whether they (the parents) pay for it or not. I mean isn't that the parents job?
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04-03-2003, 12:07 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 944S2NUT:
<strong>4 kids were killed, down my street the other night passing someone to fast in a 5.0 mustang. Hit the oncoming car, broke their car in to 2 pieces. All 4 kids in the stang were thrown out of the car. Dental records were used to identify 3 of the bodies, while the on comer burned to death in his firebird coming home from work. The fifth is about to be unplugged, his parents decision. The scary thing is, I drive that road nearly 4 times a day
I wish our government would impose a age to power ratio. What kind of parent buys their kid a 5.0L mustang for their first car. Sorry for the rant JUST so tragic having to drive by those crosses everyday thinking that could have bin my cross </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><img src="http://www.bp6.com/images/icon_bigeek.gif" alt=" - " />
<strong>4 kids were killed, down my street the other night passing someone to fast in a 5.0 mustang. Hit the oncoming car, broke their car in to 2 pieces. All 4 kids in the stang were thrown out of the car. Dental records were used to identify 3 of the bodies, while the on comer burned to death in his firebird coming home from work. The fifth is about to be unplugged, his parents decision. The scary thing is, I drive that road nearly 4 times a day
I wish our government would impose a age to power ratio. What kind of parent buys their kid a 5.0L mustang for their first car. Sorry for the rant JUST so tragic having to drive by those crosses everyday thinking that could have bin my cross
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><img src="http://www.bp6.com/images/icon_bigeek.gif" alt=" - " />