FabilichuS

And I would need any help I could get to make the job easy, I have my hayens manual, but I have never disabled a engine before. And will only repair the things I can do myself the rest I will send into a shop to repair. Reasebly I can handle (I think learing alot ) and with help of some friends that know cars.

I WILL UPLOAD ALOT OF PHOTOS FROM DAY 1 SOON

Im taking my engine apart, cuz I got brown oil (oil with coolant?) and white (milkshake) on the dipstick and in the intake boot. So I figure im gonna do a seal service and replace any dmg parts with new ones and replace all other stuff that is worth replacing. Also have some oil "Swething" around the middle of the engine and under the oil pan. I was thinking of getting this parts, what more do I need ?
Any parts I "HAVE" to replace when im down ther ?

To Order :
944 NA Throttle Body Reseal Kit (http://www.arnnworx.com/944_tb_kit.htm)
Wiper Delete Plug (for the rear window)
Engine Tool Kit (MAXI) from http://www.arnnworx.com/
New tool kit with all the tools I need (I am always borowing someones :P)
Timing Cover Bolt Kit (http://944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Sto...skukey_1000870)
lower engine gasket set (http://944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Sto...41+engine-9441)
Wide Fire Head Gasket 2.5 (http://944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Sto...skukey_1000831)
intake gasket (http://944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Sto...inderhead-9441)
944 Cam Tower Gasket Kit (http://944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Sto...key_1215539667)
MSD BLASTER 2 ANTI-VIBRATION COIL (http://www.lindseyracing.com/mm5/mer...RESPERFORMANCE)
dip stick (mine is a stupid diy stick I think, old owner of the car was not taking care of it)
Connector On Harness For Fuel Injector (http://944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Sto...skukey_1000009)
Complete injector kit - http://944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Sto...key_1178636303
High Performance Ignition Wires (http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Pors...LR-IW-8MM.html)
Deluxe distributor cap & rotor kit (http://www.944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI...lectrical-9441)
Coolant expansion tank for 924S, 944, 944S and 944S2. (http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Pors...06-125-06.html)
Lindsey Racing aluminum water block off plate (Just for the Look of it) http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Pors...R-BOP-101.html
Water Pump Porsche 924S / 944S / 944 1982-88 (Is this what I need to update my water pump ?) http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod37...88--non-Turbo-
Water Temp Sender (Do i need to replace this ?) http://944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Sto...lectrical-9441
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Parts I have shopped for my car since I got it is.
Handbreak, E-Break.
Gearlink
Front Hood Shock, 924S/944 2 stk.
Lighted Key Head with Key Blank
Genuine Porsche Coolant / Antifreeze - 1 Gallon
Haynes 944 Automotive Repair Manual
Crested Keychain
Bosch WR8DS Spark Plug, 4 stk, 944 1983-85
Rear Wheel Bearing Kit
Wheel Bearing gris... En tube
Wheel alighnment
Sønnak Battery
Gear skin blue
Rear Lid Shock, 944 All, Right
Rear Lid Shock, 944 All, Left
Door Handle Seal Large
Door Handle Seal Small
Outer Window Scraper Side = Left
Door Seal = Left
944 Emblem = silver
Throttle Response Cam
Door Handle Trim, 2 stk
Early Shifter Support Frame
944na Filter Kit
Spare Tire Air Pump
Parking Brake Pressure Spring. 2 stk
A Lady to cover the porsche emblem hole, emblem got stolen
1 Extra engine 145.000km on it
1 Extra Tranny 145.000km on it
1 Extra torque tube 145.000km on it
Used heater cable controle
1 Used center console
Extra Instruments
Pioneer TS-C131PRS
Dashboard additional Instruments , Leatherstructure Fiberglass ,black
Frontspoiler PEFA 111 A
GTS lights
Rubber Shift Boot
944 Complete Clutch Kit
Door Seal = Right
Shifter Sound Absorber
cv axle boot kit 2 stk
slave clutch cylinder
mahle oil filter 2 stk
Reference Sensor 2 stk
clutch inspection hole plug
3" x 5" Universal High Flow Air Intake Dry Filter Blue‏
Manual Steering Boot left and right
Adapter to arifilter
Aftermarket Window Regulator With Motor = Left
Brake Fluid Resevoir
Brake Fluid Resevoir Cap
brake master cylinder grommet 2 stk
Expansion Tank Cap For Porsche
Low Temp Thermostat & Fan Switch
back up light switch
transmission drain plug 2 stk
oil drain plug
drain plug seal 4 stk
exhaust manifold gasket 4 stk
Washer Hose 3 meter
Windshield washer repair kit
Non Heated Washer Jet 2 stk
Sun Visor Clip 2 stk
Manual Steering Shaft
Bushing Bracket left
Manifold To Y Pipe Gasket
Used Clutch parts (Fjær og feste med pedal)
+ some other parts I havent listed up yet...


Day One of Deconstruction

FabilichuS

And do anyone have a nice tip on how to overhaule the torque tube bearings ?
Maybe with photos and link to the parts I need.
I have some noise from ether the torque tube or the tranny, I have a "new" tranny laying in the basement if the one in the car is &#/" also have 1 more torque tube. But I wanna overhaul em both so I can have my car A LONG LONG time

krazykarl

http://www.clarks-garage.com/pdf-manual/trans-05.pdf

Should have a lot of useful information on removing the torque tube and getting the old bearings out, from what I've read it's not exactly a quick or easy process.

krystar

if yer updating the water pump, u also need to get the updated idler roller.

doing all the tensioners and rollers wouldn't be a bad idea...but some of those things on yer list aren't absolutely needed either.

u may also need to do the oil cooler gasket also. that's another source of coolant/oil mix.

FabilichuS

krazykarl : Do you know someone that have done em ?

krystar : What things is not needed ?

I updatetd post one with links to all the parts, do the MDS coil and High preformance wires help the car running better or is the orignial once just as good ? And isnt the updatet parts included in the water pump kit i linked ?
Im not realy good with this stuff but im trying to learn
Im expecting to spend around $2500 total for the fixup of the engine to get the car running as good as it can. Best way to spend em ?

Mike C.

I didn't see connecting rod bearings on your list. If you're going to pull the oil pan you should at least replace these, check clearances, make sure no surprises (spun bearings). Do you plan to remove engine from car? If so, then do the main bearings to, have the crankshaft checked, etc. I would also have the cylinder bore measurements checked, condition of pistons, rods, wrist pins and if all good install new rings 'while you in there'....

Potomac-Greg

That's an interesting idea worth discussing. We all know of the weak #2 bearing and the damage a failure can cause. But I've also heard experience engine guys say that nobody --NOBODY-- can get bearings to seat as well as the factory, and the #1 cause of a bearing failure is an imperfect installation of a replacement bearing. So do you mess with something that isn't broken?

I suppose that at some mileage (e.g. +175,000) you should do it while you're in there.

FabilichuS

Mike C. : Thx il check what u have mentiond. The engine may come out, It depends on how far down im gonna go. Is it possible to change the oilpan seals without removing the engine ?

Mike C.

Yes on the oil pan seals. No on the rear main seal; either the engine or the clutch has to come out to do that. Greg, I hadn't ever heard of anyone having issues with doing CR bearings if they are replaced before being spun. I've never had any issues doing them and I just recently changed a set (while I was in there doing a leaky RMS) that had over 170,000 and they still looked good. If the engine is still in the car, you can't check rods for out of round, etc. so there is more risk doing them in-situ compared to engine out. I really don't believe there is any special skill to installing these provided you know how to work a torque wrench and plati-gage...

krazykarl

Nope, just noticed in my reading of rennlist that it was a difficult task. One suggestion regarding your first post, you might want to shrink the photos or lower the number of pics. I'm on a fat internet pipe and it still takes quite a while for all the pics to load.

FabilichuS

Hehe... il shrink the photos next time im gonna upload. Maybe Il just overhaul my spare engine since its out of the car, and put all the good parts from the one in the car on that. I want to make it as good as new but don't wanna spend mutch more than what a shop takes to do it :P
One shop that knows engine's took $3000 for the work and my mate had all the parts. That was on a 200sx +400hp engine.

Anyway, what would be the best way to spend around $2500 to make the engine good as new or even alittle better ? New AFM and DME ?

krazykarl

I'm in the process of rebuilding my S2 engine and I figure it's going to cost around $2500 just on parts and some machine work on the block and crank shaft. It's not going to leave you much money for upgrades, and if you don't think you have a bad AFM or DME I wouldn't purchase new ones.

FabilichuS

Okay, I think il only try and make the NA engine good as new then all stock. I was wondering if I use the Late style DME and AFM do I get better mpg and response ?

Joe Jackson

Not only is it another source, it's also a far more likely source of water/oil mixing especially on an NA car than a head gasket.

To the OP, given the extent of the work you are undertaking, you might as well purchase a full engine reseal kit rather than buying piecemeal. You'll save money and won't risk not having a seal you need. The wide fire ring head gasket is not necessary on your engine.

FabilichuS

Thx Joe Jackson, do you have a link to onlinestore that sells full engine reseal kits ?

And I was just snooping around and found that lindsey do rebuild ? Engine for around $3000 http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Pors...44-25L-LB.html

But I think il do all I can myself so I can learn and know how it all works
Is ther a way to test the waterpump or is it always good to replace it anyway ?
How to know if its a new or old style ?