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Old 12-09-2009, 03:15 AM
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That ring in the picture is handbrakeshoe adapter. It moves shoes outwards on 1987-1991 951's when using GT3 rear caliper & rotor. On 1985-86 951 GT3 rear rotor is more or less a direct fit.

When we are talkining about using RX7 or Lexus parts it's not the same story in Europe. It's almost impossible to find those jap parts used here, because those models have never been any hit sellers in european countries.Europeans bought BMW's, Audi's etc. because most of us consider Lexus just a rebadged Toyota.
It's must more easier & cheaper to locate used Porsche parts.

No need to touch orginal mastercylinder when using GT2/GT3 combo.
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Great info to know on the parking/hand brake mod Olli. They teach supply and demand here in grade school too.... LOL
Here, Porsche stuff is 3 times the cost (Brakes are anyways) than the big 3 Jap Makers because there are more Jap cars on these roads.

""""because most of us consider Lexus just a rebadged Toyota"""
Just like this Porsche is a rebadged Volkswagon ....hey
The 944 trannys have a big VW/Audi symbol cast right into the casing
Mistakenly I also thought Porsche engineers were all about the metric system until I mic'd the wheel bearings to find larger/stronger upgrades for the spindle shafts. Nothing Metric about those bearings.....
Old 12-09-2009, 11:25 AM
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During the years Porsche used 11 different versions of 016 series "Audi" transmission. These transmissions were never used under any VW. Audi used them on 80, 100 (different numbers on US sold models), RS2 etc. models. But Audi never used any Porsche versions. Same thing with 968's 01E series trans which was also used under A4, A6 & A8 models.
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Originally Posted by 964-C2
Do you mean the inner joints or the outer pin-joint (or both)?
Both. I just mean that any un-sealed spherical joint that is used for street driving is going to be exposed to a lot of debris and will probably not be inspected as closely or as regularly by the owner than if it were used on a dedicated track/race car. If the owner were to check those joints for wear/play every couple thousand miles of street use then they shouldn't be a problem. I use them on my car for mixed street and track use, but I inspect them before every DE. I will say that after a full season of use (about 5k miles and 4 DE weekends), there is no discernable wear/play on mine. Perhaps because I went with the more expensive heims which are all chromoly and are teflon lined.
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Looks like a 1.5" drop spindle is ideal... I will start work on a set in a couple weeks and keep everyone posted.
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Originally Posted by vt951
I just mean that any un-sealed spherical joint that is used for street driving is going to be exposed to a lot of debris and will probably not be inspected as closely or as regularly by the owner than if it were used on a dedicated track/race car.
Does anybody make an aftermarked control arm WITH sealed spherical joints (which is more suited for street use)??
I think there would be a marked for them..
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cool stuff, great info... so are the audi transmissions cheaper than porsche transmissions?

968's 01E series trans which was also used under A4, A6 & A8 models.
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Audi version is usually cheaper. Easy to find here in Europe. Might be a different case in the USA. You should use either A8 or diesel variants, because they are the strongest ones. Porsche version is still the best of 01E series of transmissions. One advantage with Audi units are the direct possibility to use your current speedometer system. Porsche version does not have a speedo pickup, 968 use signal from ABS system insteadt.
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Originally Posted by Olli Snellman
Audi version is usually cheaper. Easy to find here in Europe. Might be a different case in the USA. You should use either A8 or diesel variants, because they are the strongest ones. Porsche vesrion is still the best of 01E series of transmissions. One advantage with Audi units are the direct possibility to use your current speedometer system. Porsche version does not have a speedo pickup, 968 use signal from ABS system insteadt.
good to know... what are the part numbers for the audi units so i can compare prices?

why is the porsche version the best if they are the same transmission?
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Originally Posted by 944J
good to know... what are the part numbers for the audi units so i can compare prices?

why is the porsche version the best if they are the same transmission?
They are the same "series", but vastly different. Just like all the 016 trannies.
The 01E 5spd in my S4 is pretty much indestructable with the exception of 1st gear.
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Originally Posted by alxdgr8
They are the same "series", but vastly different. Just like all the 016 trannies.
The 01E 5spd in my S4 is pretty much indestructable with the exception of 1st gear.
i know nothing about transmissions except you shift them.

are you saying that you can put a diesel audi trans into a 968 and its a bolt in?
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why is the porsche version the best if they are the same transmission?
Because they are NOT the same transmissions. They might look the same, but Porsche versions are much stronger.

are you saying that you can put a diesel audi trans into a 968 and its a bolt in?
Yes, visually it is the same 01E series transmission. There is still one big BUT, diesels version gearing is much shorter than our cars usually have.
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what about the audi a8?

just trying to see if there is a big price difference...
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Originally Posted by 964-C2
Does anybody make an aftermarked control arm WITH sealed spherical joints (which is more suited for street use)??
I think there would be a marked for them..
Not that I know of. You could always put a rubber boot over the heim joints like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=320452448509. I chose not to because that would make it more difficult to inspect them. But, for street use maybe they would do the trick.
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I put those boots on my 5/8" bump-steer kit teflon heims......They are the solution to heims/sphericals.
Since my drop spindle thread turned into tranny stuff.....
The Diesel audi 01X FYA code would be the only tranny I would upgrade to behind the V8, but The gearing in it would be much more suited for a high power turbo 4-banger. IIRC the shifting pattern would be different and an adapter would need to be machined for the input shaft to mate to the 944 TT shaft...but very doable.



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