Cheap Suspension Upgrades....
10-12-2009, 11:42 AM
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Sorry guys, been a long weekend.
There are only 3,000 miles on the Konis.
From the M030 I have:
Front adjustable coil overs
Rear T-Bars,
Rear Koni's
Rear Sway-Bar
Hoosier R6's
annnnddd that's it for suspension.
There are only 3,000 miles on the Konis.
From the M030 I have:
Front adjustable coil overs
Rear T-Bars,
Rear Koni's
Rear Sway-Bar
Hoosier R6's
annnnddd that's it for suspension.
10-12-2009, 12:13 PM
#18
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I wrote this thread primarily for the earlier 924 crowd, but most of the content in the suspension section applies equally as well to the 944 (once you get past the 4-lug to 5-lug conversion section). http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?p=218957#218957
An upper strut brace is the LAST thing you should spend money on. Not saying you shouldn't do it, just saying there will be minimal return for that investment until you address virtually everything else on the suspension. It's probably the least important thing to address. Unless you care more about the "bling factor" than actual results.
One thing you haven't mentioned is what your intended use is. It's hard to answer a general query unless we know more about how you intend to use the car. But, generally speaking, based on what you've done so far, you would be well served to convert over to poly, delrin, or solid bushings. The various bushings can be done in stages to help manage the cost over time (e.g., do your front control arm and rear trailing arm bushings first, then do the sway bar bushings, then do the torsion carrier bushings, etc.).
An upper strut brace is the LAST thing you should spend money on. Not saying you shouldn't do it, just saying there will be minimal return for that investment until you address virtually everything else on the suspension. It's probably the least important thing to address. Unless you care more about the "bling factor" than actual results.
One thing you haven't mentioned is what your intended use is. It's hard to answer a general query unless we know more about how you intend to use the car. But, generally speaking, based on what you've done so far, you would be well served to convert over to poly, delrin, or solid bushings. The various bushings can be done in stages to help manage the cost over time (e.g., do your front control arm and rear trailing arm bushings first, then do the sway bar bushings, then do the torsion carrier bushings, etc.).
10-12-2009, 12:17 PM
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Former Vendor
Also, since some of this info is buried in that lengthy post linked to above, you should make sure to read this article:
http://www.924.org/techsection/Suspe...reparation.htm
Also, here is another link worth bringing to the surface:
Comprehensive Suspension Bushing Upgrade Guide
Along with a direct link to a spreadsheet containing virtually every bushing and part number for the 924/944 with 'street pricing' from the major vendors for OEM and performance replacements:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...nMnf0xvVPP3ETA
http://www.924.org/techsection/Suspe...reparation.htm
Also, here is another link worth bringing to the surface:
Comprehensive Suspension Bushing Upgrade Guide
Along with a direct link to a spreadsheet containing virtually every bushing and part number for the 924/944 with 'street pricing' from the major vendors for OEM and performance replacements:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...nMnf0xvVPP3ETA
10-12-2009, 12:54 PM
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Having about 5000 street only miles on my suspension, I can say from my experience...
Elephant racing front mono *****, ground control camber plates, Koni sport coil over, 300 lb springs... and replica cup strut tower brace... I love this setup, handles flat, good, predictable handling, and yes with all other pieces being solid, the strut tower bar makes a HUGE difference in feel...it solidifies the entire front end...
This winter will bring elephant racing to the rear end, along with 30 series coil over with 550lb springs to allow t-bar delete, and a set of Weltmeister sways for the front and rear..
there are as many options for suspension setups as there are opinions about them, I made my choice based on my ultimate goal of the most up to date, performance oriented, street use car.. I got it as a bone stock (except crappy Superchips chip set) with original M474 Koni sport shocks and struts. I did the Hacksaw strut mod, and replace the shocks... made it OK, but the strut mounts were done so I got a set of the KLA monoball upper mounts... don't bother with them, they are neat but will leave you wanting for adjust-ability... then I went to the a-arms rebuilt them using the monoballs, rebuilt the ball joints, rebuilt my steering rack and pump, new tie rod ends, installed the adjustable ride height kit, and wrapped the front end up with the strut tower bar... now the front end feels nice and solid, the rear end feels a little sloppy by comparison..
AND no, the monoballs won't rattle your teeth out going down the road, I commute 150 miles round trip daily, and usually drive this car for the commute... it makes me feel like I have full control over the car, and still have all my fillings...
Anyone wanting to see for themselves are welcome to come and take my car for a spin... but make sure you bring your nuts with you... I am building the car not for the faint of heart....
Elephant racing front mono *****, ground control camber plates, Koni sport coil over, 300 lb springs... and replica cup strut tower brace... I love this setup, handles flat, good, predictable handling, and yes with all other pieces being solid, the strut tower bar makes a HUGE difference in feel...it solidifies the entire front end...
This winter will bring elephant racing to the rear end, along with 30 series coil over with 550lb springs to allow t-bar delete, and a set of Weltmeister sways for the front and rear..
there are as many options for suspension setups as there are opinions about them, I made my choice based on my ultimate goal of the most up to date, performance oriented, street use car.. I got it as a bone stock (except crappy Superchips chip set) with original M474 Koni sport shocks and struts. I did the Hacksaw strut mod, and replace the shocks... made it OK, but the strut mounts were done so I got a set of the KLA monoball upper mounts... don't bother with them, they are neat but will leave you wanting for adjust-ability... then I went to the a-arms rebuilt them using the monoballs, rebuilt the ball joints, rebuilt my steering rack and pump, new tie rod ends, installed the adjustable ride height kit, and wrapped the front end up with the strut tower bar... now the front end feels nice and solid, the rear end feels a little sloppy by comparison..
AND no, the monoballs won't rattle your teeth out going down the road, I commute 150 miles round trip daily, and usually drive this car for the commute... it makes me feel like I have full control over the car, and still have all my fillings...
Anyone wanting to see for themselves are welcome to come and take my car for a spin... but make sure you bring your nuts with you... I am building the car not for the faint of heart....
10-14-2009, 01:39 PM
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