Cass944

i got in my car this morning and to my suprise there was no clutch pedal. i got out and looked down there and the pedal is stuck to the floor. i put it out and it flings up and hits me in the hand. i get in and push down with my foot and it goes right back to the floor. its as if there is no pressure at all. i tried to start the car with the pedal on the floor and it jerks. so obviously it is in gear and wont come out. im hoping its not acTually the clutch, because it makes no noise. nothing pushing on the flywheel. but lately whenever i push it in it has been squeaking. so could it be the cable broke or something. that would be nice, nicer than replacing a clutch at least. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> rizzy@wi.rr.com

IceShark

There is no cable to break as it is hydraulic. Likely a seal wore out - probably the slave down on the bellhousing. Look for leaking fluid. Could also be the master cylinder. Good luck bleeding that SOB if you replace yourself. Search the archives for all the tricks that sort of work.

icat

Usually a sign of a bad slave or master cylinder. Here's a link to a thread with several things to do...

<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=15&t=003579" target="_blank">Clutch Pedal </a>

FSTPRSH

Mine did the same thing last year. It got really cold for a few days, then unusually warm (for the time of year). I replaced both the clutch master and slave cylinders. Works like a charm. make sure you have your clutch pedal play adjusted correctly and BLEED the crap out of the system. I didn't have the fortune of a Motiv Bleeder. When bleeding make sure you keep putting more and more fluid in the resivoir...if you run out, you gotta start all over. Hope it helps.

P.S. My Porsche guy said that it was something about the sudden temp. changes that caused a seal to crap out.

IceShark

If you get a cold snap that will stiffen up the seals and they will start to leak. Happens all the time to big rigs that drive from warm into very cold climates quickly.

Cass944

wow i didnt expect so many replies so fast but thanks alot. ill have to start shopping around

mrmunky

the problem is clearly due to severe gayness in the left foot and associated regions of the driver, which led to catastrophic failure of the rotary return girder.

actually that sucks dude, check eurowebparts.com and see what they want for new master and slave cylinders. if i'm in town i'll help you replace them. i'm telling you though, it's karma for you laughing at my non-running car last night.

oh well, on the plus side we can found the "non-running 944 club of kenosha" or something. anyways i'll probably talk to you tonight so later on brett.

ian

Mark Hubley

Vertex Auto also has great prices on the clutch master and slave cylinders. Since these parts can be obtained so cheaply, I advice replacing both. As mentioned, the part of the job that takes most of the time is bleeding the system. You may as well replace both parts and bleed the system just once.

jim968

There also the slight possibilty that you've just let the brake fluid level get low enough that you've sucked some air into the system... same reservoir & same fluid are used for both brakes & clutch. Might be worth bleeding the clutch system before ordering new parts, just to see if this fixes it. Probably less than a 50-50 chance, but it's cheap troubleshooting...

Jim, "To become old & wise, one must first survive being young & dumb...."

944Fest (aka Dan P)

Not only does the same reservoir supply fluid to the brakes AND clutch, the clutch pickup point is HIGHER in the reservoir and therefore would suck air and fail before the brakes do. Nice safety thought, but a nasty trick to pull on some poor sap trying to bleed the clutch. Make sure it is more than 2/3rds full or you will suck clutch air a lot sooner than you would expect, especially if you have the front end lifted and the rear on the ground. Does it sound like I learned this one the hard way? Yep..you betcha..

Cass944

those last 2 jsut made me realise that i have indeed been running on almost no brake fluid for a while. im jsut lazy and got sick of putting more in all the time. i jsut pointed out my lowness of fluid last night to ian the one that says i have a gay left foot. maybe i shoudlnt be so lazy. if that is the case what would i have to do to fix that. do i still have to bleed everyhting or would dumping more fluid in there possebly fix it. but how would it re-circulate without the engine on. i cant get the car out of gear to turn it on.

Tom

With the car stopped you should be able to move the car out of gear. The engine running has no bearing on brake/clutch fluid. You will need to find out where it is leaking probably clutch master/slave cylinders. Then you will need to bleed both brakes and clutch, remember to check that there is not a leak in the brake system too if the fluid has mysteriously gotten low.

Deepice

[quote]Originally posted by Brett cassity:
<strong>im jsut lazy and got sick of putting more in all the time.

do i still have to bleed everyhting or would dumping more fluid in there possebly fix it.

but how would it re-circulate without the engine on.

i cant get the car out of gear to turn it on.</strong><hr></blockquote>


A: you need to find out why you are loosing fluid. and fix that problem pronto could still be the master or slave.

B: putting fluid in will not "just fix it" you will still have to bleed the system

C:just pull it out of gear (I hope your parking break is in good order)

D: DO NOT GET THE BRAKE FLUID ON THE PAINT OF YOUR CAR

mrmunky

yes, do not get any fluid at all on the paint of your car brett, that's how i got those greenish tinted spots on my front passenger side fender.

i should have my fuel pump tomorrow by 3 pm, it ended up costing me $52 shipped. if you wanna come by and help me put that on, it would be cool but i can manage if you've gotta work or something. i'm also painting my calipers and wheel hubs but ill discuss that with you tomorrow.