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Old 06-19-2009, 10:04 AM
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Maybe you can find a salvage title boxster.
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Strelok,
Have you driven an 8V 944 yet?
Are you prepared to deal with your friends and their teasing when your "sports car" cannot even beat a stock Civic off the line?

Not trying to beat up on 944's, this is a reality many younger 944 owners are not aware of.

Originally Posted by Operator
but if you must have a <$6k 944 with airbags get a 944S
My 87 S does not have airbags.

Originally Posted by alex
Am I the only one thinking he should buy the car he wants and just throw an airbag steering wheel on it and call it a day?
No
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I beat a New beetle off the line this morning ha, well only just....
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The 87 844S had optional airbags, the 88 944S had standard airbags. You should be able to get a 944S for only slightly more than std 944, but not scare your parents that you have a turbo or such.

This old report from hwy safety institute shows 944 to be one of the safest sports cars:

Special Report, Part 5
When shopping for a car, it is a good idea to keep in mind the potential damage passengers and the vehicle might suffer in an accident. One way to compare such potential for loss among different models is with insurance statistics that show the relative degree of losses experienced by particular models over several years.
The table that follows, compiled by the Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI), presents the injury- and collision-loss experience of the 200 most popular cars in the United States. The data are based on analysis of insurance claims for millions of 1987-1989 model cars. (In addition, a separate table-based on preliminary data for 60 1990 models-lists cars with the best and worst collision-loss experience.)
The data show that injury and vehicle damage varies widely, even among models of similar size and body type. However, passengers in small cars, are, in general, more likely than those in larger cars to get injured in an accident. Nearly half the small cars show a greater than average frequency for occupant injury in a crash, with a range of from 24% to 85% above the norm for all vehicles, while only six models show below-average injury experience. The frequency for similar injuries in large cars, station wagons, and passenger vans is virtually all 25% to 51% below average.
Among the models with the best results in terms of injury and vehicle-damage losses are the Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser and Chevrolet Caprice-both large station wagons-the large four-door Ford Crown Victoria, and the midsize Lincoln Continental. The Mercedes SEL/SDL Series and BMW 735i are also among the best in terms of injury experience, but fare among the worst in collision costs.
The cars with the worst combined injury-and collision-loss records include the small Chevrolet Spectrum, Hyundai Excel, Isuzu I-Mark, and Pontiac LeMans.
Although the data do not account for 1990 or 1991 models, loss experience is generally consistent from year to year, according to HLDI, so the results indicate loss potential for both 1990 and 1991 model cars. Nevertheless, some losses may come down in models that have since been equipped with automatic restraints.
The table groups cars in the first column according to body style: station wagon/passenger van, four-door, two-door, and sport/specialty models; and then by body size, as determined by wheelbase: large, midsize, and small. In each category, cars are listed from best to worst according to injury losses.
All numbers in the table are presented in relative terms, with 100 representing the average for all cars. So, the higher the number reported, the worse the losses; the lower, the better. An injury or collision result of 122 is 22% higher than average, while a result of 75 is 25% lower than average.
The second column, next to the model, lists the overall injury-loss results, which indicate the likelihood, compared with other cars, of an occupant's filing an injury claim if his or her car is involved in an accident. For example, an occupant of the Nissan Sentra, with a listing of 154, would be 54% more likely to suffer an injury than an occupant of a Volkswagen Golf, with a listing of 100.
The third column presents the severe injury-loss results, which are the same as overall injury results except they are restricted to the frequency of claims for medical losses exceeding $500. Where there is no listing, not enough data were available for reliable results.
The fourth column provides collision-damage results for each car. This number reflects how much, compared with other cars,. is paid out by insurance companies to owners of a particular model each year. For instance, the Plymouth Conquest, with 344, pays out 226% more on average than the Dodge Colt, with 118.
Listings can be categorized as follows: less than 70, substantially better than average; 70 to 79, better than average; 80 to 120, average; 121 to 130, worse than average; and greater than 130, substantially worse than average.
For more information about this report and its methodology, write the Highway Loss Data Institute, 1005 North Glebe Road, Arlington, Va. 22201. HLDI is a non-profit organization that is supported by the insurance industry.
Injury and Collision Loss Experience for 1987-1989 Model Cars*

Code:
Body Style/                    Overall Severe
Model                          Injury  Injury Collision
 
Station Wagons/Passenger Van 
LARGE
Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser         49          58
Buick Electra                     52          82
Mercury Grand Marquis             52          82
Chevrolet Caprice                 55    48    59
Pontiac Safari Wagon              56          52
Plymouth Grand Voyager            57    45    50
Dodge Grand Caravan               58    51    51
Ford Crown Victoria               60          71
GMC Safari Van                    61    59    53
Dodge Caravan                     63    60    51
Mazda Wagon                       64          87
Plymouth Voyager                  66    55    55
Chevrolet Astro Van               69    65    50
Ford Aerostar                     73    74    61
Ford Extended Aerostar            75          53

MIDSIZE
Volvo 240                         55    40    86
Mercury Sable                     64    55    77
Toyota Camry"                     65    59    67
Ford Taurus                       67    63    69
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera          69    61    75
Buick Century                     69          65
Pontiac 6000                      69          83
Dodge Colt Vista 4WD              75          63
Chevrolet Celebrity               79    71    71
Chevrolet Cavalier               105   101    81
Dodge Colt Vista                 110          99
Plymouth Colt Vista              117          94

SMALL
Honda Civic 4WD                   74          71
Subaru DL/GL 4WD                  78    67    76
Mazda 323                         80          81
Honda Civic                       85          62
Subaru DL/GL                      86    84    76
Volkswagen Fox                    94          97
Toyota Corolla                    98          88
Nissan Sentra                    103          94
Ford Escort"                     104          82
Toyota Van                       108          81
Mitsubishi Wagon                 109         111
Four-Door Models 
LARGE
Ford Crown Victoria               57    51    64
Chevrolet Caprice                 60    59    56
Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight**         61          80
Pontiac Bonneville**              63    64    74
Mercury Grand Marquis             63    66    71
Buick LeSabre**                   67    64    69
Buick Electra'*                   72          72
Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight**         78    76    75

MIDSIZE
Dodge Dynasty                     69    73    55
Chrysler New Yorker               71    79    78
Plymouth Acclaim                  78          52
Mazda 929                         78    90   105
Mercury Sable                     82    82    84
Ford Taurus                       82    84    81
Chrysler LeBaron (hatchback)      83    75    72
Buick Century                     83    83    69
Dodge Spirit                      86          51
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera          88    87    74
Toyota Camry                      88    92    78
Honda Accord                      89    87   101
Eagle Premier**                   89          71
Ford Tempo 4WD**                  89          76
Volvo 240                         89   101    83
Pontiac 6000                      90    84    85
Chevrolet Celebrity               91    86    70
Toyota Cressida*                  95   106   123
Mazda 626 * *                     96    96   100
Chevrolet Corsica**               99    95    89
Dodge Lancer                     100    89    91
Plymouth Reliant                 102    93    76
Dodge Aries                      102    97    72
Mitsubishi Sigma                 106         103
Nissan Maxima**                  106   112   122
Oldsmobile Calais**              107   120    90
Buick Skylark**                  108   107    87
Pontiac Grand Am*'               110   109    85
Ford Tempo**                     111   112    78
Nissan Stanza                    113   116    99
Mercury Topaz**                  115   106    79
Buick Skyhawk                    115          92
Mitsubishi Galant                118         115
Pontiac Sunbird                  124   120    93
Chevrolet Cavalier               125   122    86

SMALL
Saab 900                          84         154
Acura Integra                     97    92   122
Subaru GL 4WD                    102          84
Toyota Tercel                    104          98
Volkswagen Golf*                 106         101
Plymouth Sundance**              112          96
Honda Civic                      112   112   102
Dodge Omni                       113   103    89
Plymouth Horizon                 113   105    80
Dodge Shadow                     114   106    90
Mazda 323                        116   116   103
Toyota Corolla                   120   127    96
Volkswagen Fox                   125   128   126
Volkswagen Jetta"                127   141   131
Ford Escort"                     134   138   103
Subaru DL/GL                     134   143   117
Mercury Tracer                   135         108
Pontiac LeMans                   153   164   127
Nissan Sentra                    154   161   122
Chevrolet Sprint                 156   155   107
Isuzu I-Mark                     173         103
Hyundai Excel"                   174   189   112
Chevrolet Spectrum               185   197   114
Two-Door Models 
LARGE
Ford Thunderbird**                67          72
Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight**         74          99
Mercury Cougar"                   81          93
Buick LeSabre**                   86         115

MIDSIZE
Merkur XR4Ti                      67         117
Olds Cutlass Supreme"             86    84    84
Plymouth Reliant                  86          70
Buick Regal"                      87    84    88
Pontiac Grand Prix**              88    88    87
Honda Accord"                     93    88   116
Honda Prelude"                    94    90   119
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera          95    90    94
Dodge Aries                      102          75
Chrysler LeBaron-***             109         116
Buick Somerset/Skylark"          110   106    91
Oldsmobile Calais"               110   115   105
Ford Tempo* *                    111   120    91
Pontiac Grand Am*                113   118    99
Chevrolet Beretta**              129   130   121
Buick Skyhawk                    130   129   101
Chevrolet Cavalier               138   134   112
Pontiac Sunbird                  138   136   117

SMALL
Volkswagen GTI                    95         169
Honda Civic                       96    93    99
Volkswagen Golf*                 100         102
Acura Integra                    101    91   138
Saab 900 Turbo, S**              101         182
Subaru GL 4WD                    104         113
Mazda MX-6                       107   116   141
Nissan 240SX**                   109         169
Mazda 323                        112   106    92
Dodge Colt**                     112         118
Plymouth Conquest**              112         344
Ford Probe                       117   123   134
Toyota Celica                    120   122   144
Volkswagen Fox                   124   116   116
Mercury Tracer                   124   121   114
Subaru DL/GL                     129         111
Mitsubishi Starion*              131         341
Toyota Tercel                    132   131   102
Toyota Corolla                   136   145   139
Plymouth Sundance**              139         112
Dodge Shadow**                   141         117
Yugo                             144   148    99
Nissan Pulsar                    144   151   144
Ford Escort**                    147   150   129
Subaru Justy                     150          97
Nissan Sentra                    150   155   133
Dodge Daytona***                 151   144   142
Ford Festiva                     154   153   102
Chevrolet Spectrum               157   155   121
Subaru XT Coupe**                157         154
Hyundai Excel                    157   166   112
Isuzu I-Mark                     160         129
Pontiac LeMans                   165   162   143
Chevrolet Sprint                 173   176   114
Sports & Specialty Models 
LARGE
Mercedes SEL/SDL Series***        48    50   149
BMW 735i***                       49         186
Lincoln Town Car                  62    69    83
Cadillac Fleetwood/DeVille 4D     65    73    83
Cadillac Brougham                 66    76    83
Mercedes 260E/30OD/E***           67    74   161
Cadillac DeVille 2D               75    88   104

MIDSIZE
Volvo 740/760 SW***               40          89
Lincoln Continental***            46          71
Cadillac Seville                  52    55    98
Saab 9000                         53         152
Acura Legend 4D***                62         102
BMW 325i Conv.                    67         177
Lincoln Mark VII                  67    73   127
Volvo 740/760 4D***               68         110
Cadillac Eldorado                 70    69   103
Austin Rov. Sterling 825/827      72         118
Oldsmobile Toronado               73         112
Toyota Supra                      82    82   182
Buick Riviera                     85         103
BMW 300 Series 4D                 90    91   249
BMW 300 Series 2D                 91    94   192
Mercedes 190D/E***                94   103   150
Ford Mustang Conv.                96   102   142
Chrysler LeBaron Conv.***         98         117
Chevrolet Cavalier Conv.         105         116
Pontiac Firebird                 110   113   156
Ford Mustang                     127   128   166
Chevrolet Camero                 127   135   153

SMALL
Mercedes 560SL Conv.***           50         154
Porsche 944 Coupe                 61         270
Chevrolet Corvette Conv.          73         122
Chevrolet Corvette                73    79   155
Toyota Celica Conv.               85         142
Nissan 30OZX 2+2                  91         155
Nissan 30OZX                      96    94   142
Volkswagon Cabriolet             107         129
Toyota MR2                       127         141
Honda Civic CRX**                144         156
*Unless noted otherwise, injury results are based on 1987-1989 models with manual safety belts; 1990 and 1991 models of these cars must have automatic restraints, either belts or air bags, which might provide better injury protection. **Injury results are based on models equipped with automatic belts. ***lnjury results are based on models with air bags. 
Relative Average Loss Payments For 1990 Model Cars* 
Best Collision Results 
Model                         Style**  Size        Rating
 
Buick Century                 4-Dr.    Midsize         35
Chevrolet Astro Van           P.V.     Large           44
Plymouth Grand Voyager        P.V.     Large           45
Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight       4-Dr.    Large           48
Oldsmobile Cutlass            4-Dr.    Midsize         51
Dodge Grand Caravan           P.V.     Large           52
Buick Electra                 4-Dr     Large           55
Dodge Caravan                 P.V.     Large           58
Chevrolet Lumina              4-Dr.    Midsize         60
Chevrolet Caprice             4-dr.    Large           60
Ford Taurus                   4-Dr.    Midsize         64
Mazda Wagon                   P.V.     Large           64
Worst Collision Results 
Model                        Style**   Size        Rating
 
Nissan 30OZX                 Sp.       Small          208
Toyota Celica                2-dr.     Small          203
Nissan 240SX                 2-dr.     Small          177
Nissan 30OZX 2+2             Sp.       Midsize        172
Chevrolet Camaro             Sp.       Midsize        169
Ford Mustang                 Sp.       Midsize        163
Pontiac Bonneville           4-dr.     Large          150
Plymouth Laser               2-dr.     Small          146
Chevrolet Beretta            2-dr.     Midsize        142
Geo Storm                    2-dr.     Small          140
Mitsubishi Eclipse           2-dr.     Small          138
Lexus LS400                  Sp.       Large          134
*100 = Average for all 1990 models combined. **Body styles: P.V. = passenger van; Sp. = sport or specialty; 4-dr. = four door: 2-dr. = two door 
SOURCE: The Highway Loss Data Institute. 
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Old 06-19-2009, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jfrahm
I still do not see the point... OK airbags do not work 100% of the time, OK they sometimes present some danger after a crash. Are you trying to downplay the effectiveness such that having or not having airbags should not be a consideration at the time of purchase?
Dude...you're still not getting this. Rock is saying the same thing I am, which is NOT that airbags aren't worthwhile, but that they are NOT a "robust" system as you stated. I'm not sure the intention can be made any more clear than this.
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Oh, well that's just a boring argument about semantics.

I have stripped cars with airbag systems and am very impressed by the quality of the wiring and connectors. Compared to (pretty robust) systems like the lights and the horn, the airbag system is even more robust. It has fault detection that seems to work tolerably well. There are probably fewer ways to fool the fault detection than you think.

No, they do not always deploy but much of that is an effect of having to be designed to minimize unintended deployments. Or they may have been tampered with, or the owner might be ignoring an airbag fault indication. Neither of us know how common that is.

Without actually studying many crashes where airbags failed to deploy to find out why there is no answering your question of robustness. My question, on the other had, of 'why ask the question?' is more relevant. Much like a motorcycle helmet, I think it's clear you are better off with than without, even if they are not perfect (unless you are a child or small and have osteoporosis.) Even if the system does not pass your definition of 'robust.'

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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Strelok,
Have you driven an 8V 944 yet?
Are you prepared to deal with your friends and their teasing when your "sports car" cannot even beat a stock Civic off the line?

Not trying to beat up on 944's, this is a reality many younger 944 owners are not aware of.
Oh I'm entirely aware of that. I'm not looking for a dragster. Although the S2 and Turbo are pretty appealing for that reason, and they'll make the parents happy with the airbags. But it won't make my wallet happy...
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Originally Posted by jeffbarn
The 87 844S had optional airbags, the 88 944S had standard airbags. You should be able to get a 944S for only slightly more than std 944, but not scare your parents that you have a turbo or such.

This old report from hwy safety institute shows 944 to be one of the safest sports cars:

Special Report, Part 5
When shopping for a car, it is a good idea to keep in mind the potential damage passengers and the vehicle might suffer in an accident. One way to compare such potential for loss among different models is with insurance statistics that show the relative degree of losses experienced by particular models over several years.
The table that follows, compiled by the Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI), presents the injury- and collision-loss experience of the 200 most popular cars in the United States. The data are based on analysis of insurance claims for millions of 1987-1989 model cars. (In addition, a separate table-based on preliminary data for 60 1990 models-lists cars with the best and worst collision-loss experience.)
The data show that injury and vehicle damage varies widely, even among models of similar size and body type. However, passengers in small cars, are, in general, more likely than those in larger cars to get injured in an accident. Nearly half the small cars show a greater than average frequency for occupant injury in a crash, with a range of from 24% to 85% above the norm for all vehicles, while only six models show below-average injury experience. The frequency for similar injuries in large cars, station wagons, and passenger vans is virtually all 25% to 51% below average.
Among the models with the best results in terms of injury and vehicle-damage losses are the Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser and Chevrolet Caprice-both large station wagons-the large four-door Ford Crown Victoria, and the midsize Lincoln Continental. The Mercedes SEL/SDL Series and BMW 735i are also among the best in terms of injury experience, but fare among the worst in collision costs.
The cars with the worst combined injury-and collision-loss records include the small Chevrolet Spectrum, Hyundai Excel, Isuzu I-Mark, and Pontiac LeMans.
Although the data do not account for 1990 or 1991 models, loss experience is generally consistent from year to year, according to HLDI, so the results indicate loss potential for both 1990 and 1991 model cars. Nevertheless, some losses may come down in models that have since been equipped with automatic restraints.
The table groups cars in the first column according to body style: station wagon/passenger van, four-door, two-door, and sport/specialty models; and then by body size, as determined by wheelbase: large, midsize, and small. In each category, cars are listed from best to worst according to injury losses.
All numbers in the table are presented in relative terms, with 100 representing the average for all cars. So, the higher the number reported, the worse the losses; the lower, the better. An injury or collision result of 122 is 22% higher than average, while a result of 75 is 25% lower than average.
The second column, next to the model, lists the overall injury-loss results, which indicate the likelihood, compared with other cars, of an occupant's filing an injury claim if his or her car is involved in an accident. For example, an occupant of the Nissan Sentra, with a listing of 154, would be 54% more likely to suffer an injury than an occupant of a Volkswagen Golf, with a listing of 100.
The third column presents the severe injury-loss results, which are the same as overall injury results except they are restricted to the frequency of claims for medical losses exceeding $500. Where there is no listing, not enough data were available for reliable results.
The fourth column provides collision-damage results for each car. This number reflects how much, compared with other cars,. is paid out by insurance companies to owners of a particular model each year. For instance, the Plymouth Conquest, with 344, pays out 226% more on average than the Dodge Colt, with 118.
Listings can be categorized as follows: less than 70, substantially better than average; 70 to 79, better than average; 80 to 120, average; 121 to 130, worse than average; and greater than 130, substantially worse than average.
For more information about this report and its methodology, write the Highway Loss Data Institute, 1005 North Glebe Road, Arlington, Va. 22201. HLDI is a non-profit organization that is supported by the insurance industry.
Injury and Collision Loss Experience for 1987-1989 Model Cars*

Code:
Body Style/                    Overall Severe
Model                          Injury  Injury Collision
 
Station Wagons/Passenger Van 
LARGE
Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser         49          58
Buick Electra                     52          82
Mercury Grand Marquis             52          82
Chevrolet Caprice                 55    48    59
Pontiac Safari Wagon              56          52
Plymouth Grand Voyager            57    45    50
Dodge Grand Caravan               58    51    51
Ford Crown Victoria               60          71
GMC Safari Van                    61    59    53
Dodge Caravan                     63    60    51
Mazda Wagon                       64          87
Plymouth Voyager                  66    55    55
Chevrolet Astro Van               69    65    50
Ford Aerostar                     73    74    61
Ford Extended Aerostar            75          53

MIDSIZE
Volvo 240                         55    40    86
Mercury Sable                     64    55    77
Toyota Camry"                     65    59    67
Ford Taurus                       67    63    69
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera          69    61    75
Buick Century                     69          65
Pontiac 6000                      69          83
Dodge Colt Vista 4WD              75          63
Chevrolet Celebrity               79    71    71
Chevrolet Cavalier               105   101    81
Dodge Colt Vista                 110          99
Plymouth Colt Vista              117          94

SMALL
Honda Civic 4WD                   74          71
Subaru DL/GL 4WD                  78    67    76
Mazda 323                         80          81
Honda Civic                       85          62
Subaru DL/GL                      86    84    76
Volkswagen Fox                    94          97
Toyota Corolla                    98          88
Nissan Sentra                    103          94
Ford Escort"                     104          82
Toyota Van                       108          81
Mitsubishi Wagon                 109         111
Four-Door Models 
LARGE
Ford Crown Victoria               57    51    64
Chevrolet Caprice                 60    59    56
Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight**         61          80
Pontiac Bonneville**              63    64    74
Mercury Grand Marquis             63    66    71
Buick LeSabre**                   67    64    69
Buick Electra'*                   72          72
Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight**         78    76    75

MIDSIZE
Dodge Dynasty                     69    73    55
Chrysler New Yorker               71    79    78
Plymouth Acclaim                  78          52
Mazda 929                         78    90   105
Mercury Sable                     82    82    84
Ford Taurus                       82    84    81
Chrysler LeBaron (hatchback)      83    75    72
Buick Century                     83    83    69
Dodge Spirit                      86          51
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera          88    87    74
Toyota Camry                      88    92    78
Honda Accord                      89    87   101
Eagle Premier**                   89          71
Ford Tempo 4WD**                  89          76
Volvo 240                         89   101    83
Pontiac 6000                      90    84    85
Chevrolet Celebrity               91    86    70
Toyota Cressida*                  95   106   123
Mazda 626 * *                     96    96   100
Chevrolet Corsica**               99    95    89
Dodge Lancer                     100    89    91
Plymouth Reliant                 102    93    76
Dodge Aries                      102    97    72
Mitsubishi Sigma                 106         103
Nissan Maxima**                  106   112   122
Oldsmobile Calais**              107   120    90
Buick Skylark**                  108   107    87
Pontiac Grand Am*'               110   109    85
Ford Tempo**                     111   112    78
Nissan Stanza                    113   116    99
Mercury Topaz**                  115   106    79
Buick Skyhawk                    115          92
Mitsubishi Galant                118         115
Pontiac Sunbird                  124   120    93
Chevrolet Cavalier               125   122    86

SMALL
Saab 900                          84         154
Acura Integra                     97    92   122
Subaru GL 4WD                    102          84
Toyota Tercel                    104          98
Volkswagen Golf*                 106         101
Plymouth Sundance**              112          96
Honda Civic                      112   112   102
Dodge Omni                       113   103    89
Plymouth Horizon                 113   105    80
Dodge Shadow                     114   106    90
Mazda 323                        116   116   103
Toyota Corolla                   120   127    96
Volkswagen Fox                   125   128   126
Volkswagen Jetta"                127   141   131
Ford Escort"                     134   138   103
Subaru DL/GL                     134   143   117
Mercury Tracer                   135         108
Pontiac LeMans                   153   164   127
Nissan Sentra                    154   161   122
Chevrolet Sprint                 156   155   107
Isuzu I-Mark                     173         103
Hyundai Excel"                   174   189   112
Chevrolet Spectrum               185   197   114
Two-Door Models 
LARGE
Ford Thunderbird**                67          72
Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight**         74          99
Mercury Cougar"                   81          93
Buick LeSabre**                   86         115

MIDSIZE
Merkur XR4Ti                      67         117
Olds Cutlass Supreme"             86    84    84
Plymouth Reliant                  86          70
Buick Regal"                      87    84    88
Pontiac Grand Prix**              88    88    87
Honda Accord"                     93    88   116
Honda Prelude"                    94    90   119
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera          95    90    94
Dodge Aries                      102          75
Chrysler LeBaron-***             109         116
Buick Somerset/Skylark"          110   106    91
Oldsmobile Calais"               110   115   105
Ford Tempo* *                    111   120    91
Pontiac Grand Am*                113   118    99
Chevrolet Beretta**              129   130   121
Buick Skyhawk                    130   129   101
Chevrolet Cavalier               138   134   112
Pontiac Sunbird                  138   136   117

SMALL
Volkswagen GTI                    95         169
Honda Civic                       96    93    99
Volkswagen Golf*                 100         102
Acura Integra                    101    91   138
Saab 900 Turbo, S**              101         182
Subaru GL 4WD                    104         113
Mazda MX-6                       107   116   141
Nissan 240SX**                   109         169
Mazda 323                        112   106    92
Dodge Colt**                     112         118
Plymouth Conquest**              112         344
Ford Probe                       117   123   134
Toyota Celica                    120   122   144
Volkswagen Fox                   124   116   116
Mercury Tracer                   124   121   114
Subaru DL/GL                     129         111
Mitsubishi Starion*              131         341
Toyota Tercel                    132   131   102
Toyota Corolla                   136   145   139
Plymouth Sundance**              139         112
Dodge Shadow**                   141         117
Yugo                             144   148    99
Nissan Pulsar                    144   151   144
Ford Escort**                    147   150   129
Subaru Justy                     150          97
Nissan Sentra                    150   155   133
Dodge Daytona***                 151   144   142
Ford Festiva                     154   153   102
Chevrolet Spectrum               157   155   121
Subaru XT Coupe**                157         154
Hyundai Excel                    157   166   112
Isuzu I-Mark                     160         129
Pontiac LeMans                   165   162   143
Chevrolet Sprint                 173   176   114
Sports & Specialty Models 
LARGE
Mercedes SEL/SDL Series***        48    50   149
BMW 735i***                       49         186
Lincoln Town Car                  62    69    83
Cadillac Fleetwood/DeVille 4D     65    73    83
Cadillac Brougham                 66    76    83
Mercedes 260E/30OD/E***           67    74   161
Cadillac DeVille 2D               75    88   104

MIDSIZE
Volvo 740/760 SW***               40          89
Lincoln Continental***            46          71
Cadillac Seville                  52    55    98
Saab 9000                         53         152
Acura Legend 4D***                62         102
BMW 325i Conv.                    67         177
Lincoln Mark VII                  67    73   127
Volvo 740/760 4D***               68         110
Cadillac Eldorado                 70    69   103
Austin Rov. Sterling 825/827      72         118
Oldsmobile Toronado               73         112
Toyota Supra                      82    82   182
Buick Riviera                     85         103
BMW 300 Series 4D                 90    91   249
BMW 300 Series 2D                 91    94   192
Mercedes 190D/E***                94   103   150
Ford Mustang Conv.                96   102   142
Chrysler LeBaron Conv.***         98         117
Chevrolet Cavalier Conv.         105         116
Pontiac Firebird                 110   113   156
Ford Mustang                     127   128   166
Chevrolet Camero                 127   135   153

SMALL
Mercedes 560SL Conv.***           50         154
Porsche 944 Coupe                 61         270
Chevrolet Corvette Conv.          73         122
Chevrolet Corvette                73    79   155
Toyota Celica Conv.               85         142
Nissan 30OZX 2+2                  91         155
Nissan 30OZX                      96    94   142
Volkswagon Cabriolet             107         129
Toyota MR2                       127         141
Honda Civic CRX**                144         156
*Unless noted otherwise, injury results are based on 1987-1989 models with manual safety belts; 1990 and 1991 models of these cars must have automatic restraints, either belts or air bags, which might provide better injury protection. **Injury results are based on models equipped with automatic belts. ***lnjury results are based on models with air bags. 
Relative Average Loss Payments For 1990 Model Cars* 
Best Collision Results 
Model                         Style**  Size        Rating
 
Buick Century                 4-Dr.    Midsize         35
Chevrolet Astro Van           P.V.     Large           44
Plymouth Grand Voyager        P.V.     Large           45
Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight       4-Dr.    Large           48
Oldsmobile Cutlass            4-Dr.    Midsize         51
Dodge Grand Caravan           P.V.     Large           52
Buick Electra                 4-Dr     Large           55
Dodge Caravan                 P.V.     Large           58
Chevrolet Lumina              4-Dr.    Midsize         60
Chevrolet Caprice             4-dr.    Large           60
Ford Taurus                   4-Dr.    Midsize         64
Mazda Wagon                   P.V.     Large           64
Worst Collision Results 
Model                        Style**   Size        Rating
 
Nissan 30OZX                 Sp.       Small          208
Toyota Celica                2-dr.     Small          203
Nissan 240SX                 2-dr.     Small          177
Nissan 30OZX 2+2             Sp.       Midsize        172
Chevrolet Camaro             Sp.       Midsize        169
Ford Mustang                 Sp.       Midsize        163
Pontiac Bonneville           4-dr.     Large          150
Plymouth Laser               2-dr.     Small          146
Chevrolet Beretta            2-dr.     Midsize        142
Geo Storm                    2-dr.     Small          140
Mitsubishi Eclipse           2-dr.     Small          138
Lexus LS400                  Sp.       Large          134
*100 = Average for all 1990 models combined. **Body styles: P.V. = passenger van; Sp. = sport or specialty; 4-dr. = four door: 2-dr. = two door 
SOURCE: The Highway Loss Data Institute. 
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Sorry to resurrect this ancient thread, but does anyone know where I can find the official source for that report and similar ones? It would be very helpful.



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