Astronaut Michael Anderson (Columbia) was a Porsche Owner
02-05-2003, 08:06 PM
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Devia - Yes, my grandfather did work at Downey, at around that time too. You could ask your father if he knew an Aubry Moseley (He went by Aubry to some, possible Bill or William). I'd ask him questions, but....
Anyway, my family got a lot of NASA stuff when he went, including the coins minted from the metal that was taken around the moon for the first lunar flight. This stuff really gets me going, probably as much as Porsches
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Anyway, my family got a lot of NASA stuff when he went, including the coins minted from the metal that was taken around the moon for the first lunar flight. This stuff really gets me going, probably as much as Porsches
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02-05-2003, 09:19 PM
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Well, I guess I really stirred up a big pot of **** with some folks with my opinion about something. Arguing with some folks on this board is completely pointless. For those of you that are totally defending NASA about their past mistakes, I can say nothing to you about it because NASA is indirectly paying your bills every month. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, just be mindless and unwilling to accept the fact that the great NASA isn't all they make themselves out to be. Look, I'm not bashing NASA, and I'm not blind to the fact that people are not perfect. As I stated before, NASA has done some very great things, I would never deny them of that. But someone is going to have one hell of a time convincing me that something couldn't have been done to save those crews that were lost. Americans are some of the most creative and inventive individuals on the face of this planet, bar none. Now, for a group of, supposedly, the most brilliant engineers on the planet to say that crew couldn't be saved, was the most closed minded collective decision of the century. I guess some folks are too intelligent for their own good, and others good for that matter. No, I'm not some engineer that works for NASA or one of their contractors, just a plain average person that uses common sense to get through life. And it hasn't let me down yet. I'm signing off of this thread, it is pointless to argue any further.
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02-05-2003, 09:51 PM
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Bottom line: **** happens. Always has, always will. No matter how much $$$ we spend to make something failsafe, there will always be a chance in hell of something unexpected going wrong. You can make sure the same **** doesn't happen again, but there will always be a different **** to come along.
Godspeed Micheal Anderson and the rest of the Columbia crew.
Godspeed Micheal Anderson and the rest of the Columbia crew.
02-05-2003, 10:11 PM
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Paul - I'd like to point out where you're wrong. Me defending NASA was in no way shape or form trying not to "bite the hand that feeds" me. My family has, in no direct or indirect circumstances, any contact or relationship with NASA. I simply and respectfully disagree with you. I believe that hind-sight is 20/20. I believe as a lay-person you are not completely informed, nor qualified to take "common sense" and think you can broadly apply it to what goes on in NASA and space travel.
Lets face it, in no uncertain terms does anyone pretend that space travel is safe, and that bad things can't happen, even to good people who are well trained. Sometimes risks must be taken, and sometimes these risks involve lives. You can not judge whether or not NASA should have tried sending up another shuttle (and killing more people) trying a space walk (and killing someone) or attempting, against what they knew could not happen, to get to the space station. They made a decision that I am sure at the time, was the best decision they felt they could make. It didn't pan out. People died, a nation mourns. People make life or death decisions daily. To drive, to drink and drive, to drink and not drive, to pull the trigger, throw the punch, try the experimental surgery, and people die, those left behind mourn. Those in the space shuttle knew the mission, knew the risks. If they felt other options should have been sought out, they could have pushed for that.
Bottom line, maybe it was a bad decision, maybe it was the only decision, maybe it was a great decision. Your common sense cannot second guess that (even if you want to, and you do).
Lets face it, in no uncertain terms does anyone pretend that space travel is safe, and that bad things can't happen, even to good people who are well trained. Sometimes risks must be taken, and sometimes these risks involve lives. You can not judge whether or not NASA should have tried sending up another shuttle (and killing more people) trying a space walk (and killing someone) or attempting, against what they knew could not happen, to get to the space station. They made a decision that I am sure at the time, was the best decision they felt they could make. It didn't pan out. People died, a nation mourns. People make life or death decisions daily. To drive, to drink and drive, to drink and not drive, to pull the trigger, throw the punch, try the experimental surgery, and people die, those left behind mourn. Those in the space shuttle knew the mission, knew the risks. If they felt other options should have been sought out, they could have pushed for that.
Bottom line, maybe it was a bad decision, maybe it was the only decision, maybe it was a great decision. Your common sense cannot second guess that (even if you want to, and you do).
02-05-2003, 11:57 PM
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PrerYDoG,
Ask your Grandfather if he knew "Dutch" Sczesny, the little Polish guy. Sadly, I can't ask my Father, he passed away in 1990, this month. But I do have wonderful mementos and memories, even a letter from the President thanking my dad for helping to put the first man on the moon! I am sure your grandfather received one of those, too.
Yes, I just love to talk about this stuff, and with the same sentiment as Porsches myself.
When I worked on the Atlantis, and we were all layed off, I received two coins made from the metal of both ships, from the Apollo/Soyz mission! Oddly enough, I also received the Challenger patch, from the ill-fated mission.
Paul - that was the only time I did any work indirectly for NASA. I believe in being well informed about what I am passionate about, which are:
Space Program; Porsches; Comic Books.
Yes, I am a professional Comic book Artist and Writer, and proud of it (Hell getting dates!).
Seems to me, Paul. you are the one disrespecting others opinions, and have stooped to bashing us, the industry of Aerospace, and including where you live, by your signature, "Kalifornia Sux!"
If you are so miserable living here, then why don't you move to a place you can be proud of living at? If you don't like the way NASA is, then why don't you do something about it? If you don't like the California, then why don't you move somewhere you want to live?
Life is too precious and short, to be miserable. Live life to the fullest, and be proud of what you do.
Daddy's Little Girl,
Ask your Grandfather if he knew "Dutch" Sczesny, the little Polish guy. Sadly, I can't ask my Father, he passed away in 1990, this month. But I do have wonderful mementos and memories, even a letter from the President thanking my dad for helping to put the first man on the moon! I am sure your grandfather received one of those, too.
Yes, I just love to talk about this stuff, and with the same sentiment as Porsches myself.
When I worked on the Atlantis, and we were all layed off, I received two coins made from the metal of both ships, from the Apollo/Soyz mission! Oddly enough, I also received the Challenger patch, from the ill-fated mission.
Paul - that was the only time I did any work indirectly for NASA. I believe in being well informed about what I am passionate about, which are:
Space Program; Porsches; Comic Books.
Yes, I am a professional Comic book Artist and Writer, and proud of it (Hell getting dates!).
Seems to me, Paul. you are the one disrespecting others opinions, and have stooped to bashing us, the industry of Aerospace, and including where you live, by your signature, "Kalifornia Sux!"
If you are so miserable living here, then why don't you move to a place you can be proud of living at? If you don't like the way NASA is, then why don't you do something about it? If you don't like the California, then why don't you move somewhere you want to live?
Life is too precious and short, to be miserable. Live life to the fullest, and be proud of what you do.
Daddy's Little Girl,
02-06-2003, 03:31 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Devia:
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Life is too precious and short, to be miserable. Live life to the fullest, and be proud of what you do.
Daddy's Little Girl,</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I'm sure "Daddy" would be very proud. Too many people never learn this. If I could only teach my daughter one thing, it would be this.
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Life is too precious and short, to be miserable. Live life to the fullest, and be proud of what you do.
Daddy's Little Girl,</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I'm sure "Daddy" would be very proud. Too many people never learn this. If I could only teach my daughter one thing, it would be this.
02-06-2003, 04:56 PM
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waybrig - Thank you.
Michael Anderson did live life to the fullest, and did enjoy what he did for a living, and definately loved driving his Porsche!
This time is not only a time for mourning, but also a celebration of the Columbia's astronauts lives. Much of what they did in fuel studies and prostate cancer research, and the many other experiments, will have an impact on our lives in the future.
Julie
Michael Anderson did live life to the fullest, and did enjoy what he did for a living, and definately loved driving his Porsche!
This time is not only a time for mourning, but also a celebration of the Columbia's astronauts lives. Much of what they did in fuel studies and prostate cancer research, and the many other experiments, will have an impact on our lives in the future.
Julie
