IanM

I've had three Sciroccos over the years, one was a '78 model, and the other two were '87 16V's. They are great cars. My last 16V was a spectacular car, a car-show winner that would give my 951 a serious run for it's money around a tight track. Drop a 2L short block in there, p&p'ed head, intake cam and exhaust, and you'll be pumping out 170bhp in a 2500lb car. Throw in a set of Boge ProGas shocks, Spax springs, Autotech hollow sway bars, and 16" wheels/tires, and it'll outhandle pretty much anything on the road. Even in stock 1.8L form (123bhp), my Scirocco 16V ran circles around my friends older RX7's. These are great cars, and are easily transformed into outstanding cars. It makes me sad to think about the day I sold that car. <img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" />

Tom R.

manning,
you are correct, or at most probably off by no less than a year or two.

However, It wasnt till about '69 when datsun introduced the Z, and 510, and toyota the celica and corolla that americans took notice of the japanese cars. thats the japanese invasion i was referring to.

do we count the honda 600s as hondas?

Manning

"do we count the honda 600s as hondas?"

Ha,or even as cars? 600cc's of chain driven fury.

I always thought the Datsun Fairlady Roadster from the 60's was pretty neat (and I really don't like drop heads that much). The Toyota FJ Cruisers from the 60's and 70' are really pretty heller too (except that the bodies rust like crazy even if you sneeze near 'em).

Dave H.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><strong>david,
shouldnt that be:

a new tiny little jap car instead of an old tiny little german car? <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">ah, you're mis-quoting me. i said tinny, not tiny.

a klunky little box full of smelly plastic and zero road feel? no thanks, i'll take the old german car. i've never owned a jap car, but i've ridden in enough to know i never will.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><strong>
or should it be:

David has blinders on and is either brainwashed and thinks the so called prestige of owning a porsche cascades down to VWs, or is still in 1969 before the japs landed on the american shores.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">can't pin that on me either. i've been driving VW's for 20 years and a Porsche for 2, so owning a Porsche has absolutely nothing to do with it.

german = good
jap = crap

blu951

The 87-88 16V Scirocco is good also is 90-92 16V GTI. I'd pass on Corrado G60 but go for VR6 Corrado.

Hybrid VW

IanM, this is for you!
<img src="http://www.mk1scirocco.com/kelly/kelly1.jpg" alt=" - " />
And a little something to ponder:
<img src="http://effervescent.com/16volt/kellytandhp.GIF" alt=" - " />
Scirocco's are great cars, but like buying any used car, expect to have to catch up on the maintenance that the P.O. gave up on before the car is completely reliable.

Ken D

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by David R. Hendrickson:
<strong>[QUOTEi've never owned a jap car, but i've ridden in enough to know i never will.


</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">german = good
jap = crap[/QB][/QUOTE]

That must've been why Wiedeking traveled to Japan in '92 looking for ways to improve the Porsche production process. And why Porsche consulted with a Japanese company (Shingijutsu Group) to do so---which led to Porsche's remarkable turnaround from '93 to today.
My wife and I currently own two VWs, in addition to the Porsche. Also owned one Scirocco, one GTI, two Rabbits (diesel & gas), one Jetta GLI (2.0 16v), one Passat, and a New Beetle.
No way the VWs have been more reliable than the average Japanese car.

Manning

The balance shafts in our motors have a distinctly Japanese flavor too. I think specifically Mitsubishi.

Micah

Manning,

It was a couple dollars to Mitsu for every 944 produced IIRC.

Micah

Riff

While I will not characterize japanese cars as "crap" there is a difference between how they drive compared to other german cars of similar vintage. I sold a perfectly good '90 Acura Legend coupe w/ 150K to buy a '90 VW GTi 8V with over 215K. Why, because of the way the VW drove. I would characterize the Acura as being a better overall car, but the GTi is just plain fun to drive all the time. Yes, is loud and buzzy compared to the Legend, but that is not what I wanted. I figure it is the difference between driving and pointing.

The real question is what type of car does she want to drive? Come to a concrete decision then find the best tool to fill your needs.

Cheers,

Manning

Hey, that was a good point; what kind of car does she want to drive.

Tom R.

Who cares what she wants to drive when we have a testosterone feueled debate on whether it is better to drive a reliable car or a fun car.

Riff, i had a 92 legend coupe, and two RX7's at the same time. I had a 93 legend coupe an rx7 convertible, and a 944S2 at the same time. you can compare the rx7 to the 944, but the legend is difinitely a touring car with some awesome sports car characteristics. i bought the 944 when i gave my wife the legend coupe so I could enjoy both types of car on a regular basis.

but what do i know, im just the guy that thinks his 85 RX7 GSL-SE was more fun (maybe less capable)than his 89 944S2

Micah

Who cares what she wants to drive when we have a testosterone feueled debate on whether it is better to drive a reliable car or a fun car.

That's cute

Anyway, Les wants a sporty, reliable German car in lieu of not getting a 944 *yet*- hence the reasoning for me wanting to go after VW's.
However, you can take solace in the knowledge that it was enjoyable watching some of you duke it out over the moot point(s) about the japanese auto industry



Micah

2+2

TOM R.: OT What wheels are on your car? They look pretty cool and atypical. Are they the 18inch turbo wheels or what??....

Tom R.

2+2
17 inch boxster "crabs" or "claws" from an 01 or 02 boxster.

thanks

Micah,
how but a 318 if you want a rear drive 4 cyl german car?