StanUK951

I've had the Lindsey BR kit lying around (rotor hats and calliper adaptors) for a while now. I cant really afford BR's or BB's at the mo, but could I get S4 callipers temporarily and use them with the kit and 993TT discs?

I realise they wont cover the whole disc and perhaps leave the inside edge next to the hub, but will this work??

Also Karl - what are those M030 steel brake lines listed on your site? Are they braided hoses which replace the flexible rubber hose to the calliper?

TIA

Predator

Well, now I'm totally confused. I'll start over!! 1983 944na with 17" Speedlines. I have front spindles, dust plates, rotors, calipers, and rear alloy trailing arms from an '86 951. I think this is an easy bolt-on. Yes/No? Then, I can up-grade to Big Reds? Yes/No? I was told that I could probably buy a kit for about what it would cost to re-build and powder coat the 951 calipers and buy new drilled rotors. Yes/No?
Thanx for the help.

StanUK951

Predator - the '86 951 cannot be easily upgraded to Big Reds, which is why I had to buy the adaptor parts from Lindsey.

Dont know if the 86 951 parts are an easy bolt on to a NA 944.

Dont think the cost of a powder coating callipers and buying drilled rotors would approach the cost of a BR kit...

tifosiman

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Predator:
[QB]Well, now I'm totally confused. I'll start over!! 1983 944na with 17" Speedlines. I have front spindles, dust plates, rotors, calipers, and rear alloy trailing arms from an '86 951. I think this is an easy bolt-on. Yes/No? Then, I can up-grade to Big Reds? Yes/No? QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Answer to the first question: Yes, if you get the struts from a 1986 951 or late offset car. Don't forget the brake bias valve. You'll also need, if you dont have them, the 4 washers for spacing the rear 951 brakes properly (hopefully they came with all of the parts you took from the donor car).

Answer to the second question: Depends on how much $$ you have. You'll need special adapters, custom rotors, and the calipers. I think that Big Regs would be major overkill, IMHO.

Here is a pic of my front brakes, S4's, on my early offset car with 16x7 951 Fuchs on it. They do fit, for those who are thinking about it and have been told otherwise:

<img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/s4under7fuch.jpg" alt=" - " />

Tifo

Olli Snellman

Iam just in rebuilding S4 brakes for my -88 951.
I have custom made adapters (Thanks, Tifo, for the drawings) Iam using only the cores of these calipers. Everything else is new. Still wondering what color they should be. Check out my thread.
<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=020826" target="_blank">http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=020826</a>

tifosiman

I like black because it doesn't show brake dust as bad as other colors. But Red is much flashier and sexy, IMHO. The only reason I didn't go with red on mine was the fact that my car is red, I was afraid of going into "red overload"..

Whatever color you do, be sure to color match the rears.

Tifo

User 41221

Out of curiousity, is there any difference in clearance between the 16" x 7" Fuch and a 16" x 7" Phonedial?

Regards,

tifosiman

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by sh944:
<strong>Out of curiousity, is there any difference in clearance between the 16" x 7" Fuch and a 16" x 7" Phonedial?

Regards,</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Good question. I haven't tried out a 16" 951 phonedial to see if it fits. Provided that the phonedial has a 951 part#, I would assume that the carved out area inside the wheel for brake caliper clearance would be the same. If the Fuch or phonedial does not have a 951 part#, they won't even fit over 951 calipers.

I've always wanted 16x9 Fuchs for the back of my car, but have wondered if they would fit since they weren't 951-specific. Well, last week I got a chance to borrow one from a friend, and guess what? It didn't fit. Even though the offset was correct, the inside of the spokes hit the caliper. I would have needed almost 1/2" of spacer to make it fit. But then the wheel would stick out past the fender. So, 16x9 fuchs are an impossibility for me, or anyone else with 951 rear brakes on an early offset car.

Tifo

smokey

The 7x16 951 phone dials will not clear S4 brakes. I believe the 7x16 Fuchs might clear, because the webbing is thinner, but someone mentioned here that it requires a 1/4" spacer. The 951 S front forged wheels were 7.5", I believe, so this computes: a 1/4" spacer has the same effect as a 1/2" increase in wheel width. The 8x16 phone dials will clear S4 brakes, but not by much. I'm running 8x16 PD's all around. The other recommended change on the 86 951 (if it's tracked) is to use the later hubs and spindles, because they're stronger. You're then limited to about 1 1/2 degrees of negative camber unless you get camber plates.

tifosiman

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by smokey:
[QB]The 7x16 951 phone dials will not clear S4 brakes. I believe the 7x16 Fuchs might clear, because the webbing is thinner, but someone mentioned here that it requires a 1/4" spacer. QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yep, the fuchs need the 1/4" spacer, that was me that stated that......

Good tip on the 7" phone dials, I'm looking for some wheels for race rubber. I'll know to avoid those. Thanks!

Tifo

Tifo