dave120

Man everybody sayin sell them both and get a 951..not everybody likes turbos. Possibly the fact that the man owns an S2 and an NA maybe he's more fond of NA motors?! Turbos do require more maintenance in most cases and they are a hell of a lot more of a pain to work on than an NA or the S2 for quite a few things. Unless you have the $$ to throw into modifying it, the stock S2 is a better overall car than a stock 951 anyways because the power output is pretty close and you don't have to wait for it. Same brakes, same aerodynamics, a stock 951 doesn't have much if anything over an S2. Biased, yes I am slightly but only stock vs stock it's futile to argue a modded 951 or 951S vs an S2.

Modified, well of course the turbo wins the speed contest hands down. If you're just going to be cruising at 130 all day the S2 will do it, but a turbo can probably do it easier with a couple slight mods I'd think.

rsrdan

I agree with dave120. I own a S2 and dont have no problem at the track eating 951's,unlessthey are REALLY MODIFIED.BTW dave 120 ,Ididnt see you at Roebling Road 2weeks ago.I love the flat torgue curve and balance.


89 944S2 Bilstein coilovers,drilled rotors,changing the bushings this winter and heavier springs.

dave120

[quote]Originally posted by rsrdan:
<strong>I agree with dave120. I own a S2 and dont have no problem at the track eating 951's,unlessthey are REALLY MODIFIED.BTW dave 120 ,Ididnt see you at Roebling Road 2weeks ago.I love the flat torgue curve and balance.


89 944S2 Bilstein coilovers,drilled rotors,changing the bushings this winter and heavier springs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was there..in blue group number 120 (of course) black S2. Sorry to have missed you. I saw I think one or 2 other S2s there, so I'm sure I saw your car. If you're going again in Feb we'll be there as well.

billybones

I would take the car you most likley not mind leaving behind. Just incase something hapens to the car. Unless you are not coming back. The opportunity of killing the engine would be easier there... HTH.. have fun. There are many here that will be jealous...

Z-man

Although I've never owned an early 944, I'd have to say the S2's power is better suited to autobahn speeds.

Ok, it's a little heavier, but IIRC, the power-to-weight ratio is still better in the S2.

What advanced electronics does the S2 have? ABS and air bags are features that I prefer to have in my car. Power steering isn't really an issue after speeds over 50mph (both ps and non-ps cars feel about the same at higher speeds).

So still, the S2 would be my choice.
-Z.

Wachuko

S2 hands down...

Bryan

Consider a couple factors:

- Gas is $4-$5/gal in Europe
- Service and parts are just as expensive

I have a 928S that is in fabulous condition and extremely well optioned, which I spent two years looking for and maintain extremely well. And an '88 944 that I bought for the heck of it for $3K.

I can't believe how much I like the 944. If I want to just jump in the car and go somewhere, it is by far the easiest and most fun. To drive the 928, you have to mentally prepare, and afterwards you need a cool drink and a nap. In the 944 you can zip around like it's a regular car. In the 944, I can shoot into the parking garage at work, zap into a space, hop out, and that's that. In the 928, I slowly pull in. I sweat going over the speedbump because I think the spoiler is going to hit. I look at several spaces before I find one wide enough. I slowly pull into the space, rapidly trying to keep my eyes on where I suspect all 4 corners of the car are. I carefully open the 6ft long door. Etc.

Granted, a 928S and 944S2 aren't the same. But if want something that's going to be cheap to operate and maintain, and isn't going to cause you stress, then the plain jane 944 is your car.

Bryan

Luis de Prat

Let me add that I've had the '83 944 since 1994 and am well aware of its less sophisticated charm. Mine even has manual steering, so parallel parking is even more challenging.

I'm sorry, but I can't really accept the 928 as a comparable car to any 944. It's like an Americas Cup yacht versus a Flying Dutchman... Major vehicle, the 928! Regarding the turbos, I already have a 951S in Europe -and a cabrio, at that, so I wouldn't be buying another.

The idea of taking another 944 there is that a) I can import it duty free for change of residence, and b) I'd prefer to use it more often than my rare 951S cabrio. Yes, gas is expensive in Europe but the 83 isn't exactly cheap on gas either.

Thanks for the comments. Keep them coming!

Peckster

[quote]Originally posted by Luis de Prat:
[QB]
I'm sorry, but I can't really accept the 928 as a comparable car to any 944. It's like an Americas Cup yacht versus a Flying Dutchman...
/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Making the 951 an International 14?

I've had an S and my 951, and I personally have more fun with the 951. When you have to pass, it can do it almost as fast as a bike.

944S2NUT

Ok how can any of you compare the 2 cars??! We are talking night and day here. Don't get my wrong I love the 944's doesnt matter what kind, but comeon ppl the S2 is abvioulsy the way togo.

944S2NUT

[quote]Originally posted by Rich Sandor:
<strong>I'd trade them in for a 951, but that's a matter of personal taste.

For me, it's important to feel that I OWN the road. (As in if I want to pass something, I CAN pass it, even if they don't want me too.)

I'd take the S2 over a 944na</strong><hr></blockquote>

You may own the road but who owns the autox

944S2NUT

[quote]Originally posted by sh944:
<strong>Let me offer a dissenting perspective... I own a '84 944, an '86 951 and a '92 968 cab, and if I could only have one, which would I keep? The '84! And no, that doesn't mean I will be giving the other cars away...

Each of them has their own character and feel... but the '84 has a lighter, more well balanced feel to it, and I feel more "at one" behind the wheel of that car. Does that mean I don't enjoy the other cars? Heck no! I love 'em all, just for different reasons. But the '84 is the one I would keep if I had to choose, assuming I wasn't tooling down the autobahn at 130mph on a daily basis, in which case, I would pick the 968.

Regards, ...Scott</strong><hr></blockquote>

You don't have an S2 in your list to compare too, so how do you know you wouldn't take the S2? Far as I know the S2 is still 50/50, wouldn't the handling be the same if not better?

Clem

Why not leave both behind and shop for a 968 sport or cs? It would be an excellent complement to the convertible turbo.

Clem

944S2NUT

[quote]Originally posted by Bryan:
<strong>Consider a couple factors:

Granted, a 928S and 944S2 aren't the same. But if want something that's going to be cheap to operate and maintain, and isn't going to cause you stress, then the plain jane 944 is your car.

Bryan</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was talking to my nieghbour mechanic. He owns a 83 944, he was saying that the earlier 944's are not as reliable as the S2 or newer 944's. Alot more to maintain. 944's were still in there discovering years and became more mechanically sound as time went on. He suggests the S2. I personally have no clue if that is true but makes sence.

Luis de Prat

[quote]Originally posted by 944S2NUT:
<strong>I was talking to my nieghbour mechanic. He owns a 83 944, he was saying that the earlier 944's are not as reliable as the S2 or newer 944's. Alot more to maintain.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Your neighbor mechanic is right on the money here, I found this out the hard way! ($$$).