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05-21-2003, 05:46 PM
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What is up with you guys?
Honestly, there is no new car that is a POS. Cars, regardless of intended market - sports cars, minivans, SUV's etc simply cost too much to develop, tool for, and market - for ANY manufacturer to build without regard for quality. Trust me, my field is Quality Assurance and I know what I'm talking about. All mfg's have recall. It's called Quality Assurance not "Perfect Assurance". They are built by people-they aren't perfect.
Sure, you may not like the styling of a PT. They are not my favorite either. But Perry is right, they are NOT crap. They just aren't for you and if you don't have the maturity not to call other people's cars names maybe you shouldn't be on this board. Let's all just settle down here.
What's the difference between one of us disparaging another man's car than a 911 owner that sniffs and puts up his nose because 944 are not "real" Porsches? Answer? NOTHING. DOn't be like that. I'm only on this board because we listen to each other and help each other out without being the typical morons you find on most auto related boards. Perry has helped many of us out. He's paid his due with his 951. Don't give him **** - especially when it comes down to you not liking the styling of his father's car. Jeeezus!
Honestly, there is no new car that is a POS. Cars, regardless of intended market - sports cars, minivans, SUV's etc simply cost too much to develop, tool for, and market - for ANY manufacturer to build without regard for quality. Trust me, my field is Quality Assurance and I know what I'm talking about. All mfg's have recall. It's called Quality Assurance not "Perfect Assurance". They are built by people-they aren't perfect.
Sure, you may not like the styling of a PT. They are not my favorite either. But Perry is right, they are NOT crap. They just aren't for you and if you don't have the maturity not to call other people's cars names maybe you shouldn't be on this board. Let's all just settle down here.
What's the difference between one of us disparaging another man's car than a 911 owner that sniffs and puts up his nose because 944 are not "real" Porsches? Answer? NOTHING. DOn't be like that. I'm only on this board because we listen to each other and help each other out without being the typical morons you find on most auto related boards. Perry has helped many of us out. He's paid his due with his 951. Don't give him **** - especially when it comes down to you not liking the styling of his father's car. Jeeezus!
05-21-2003, 06:11 PM
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man, this is getting out of hand. someone mentions a car that may kick the 951's butt in some aspects and you guys go wild. my question still remains, why the big hp numbers with a smaller turbo and less displacement?
the pt cruiser is in a ugly car in my opinion but looks don't really matter to me if the car can perform. i don't believe it got the gt tag because it's suppose to be a slouch. after the car is broken in and gone through a few oil changes i think i'll be doing some performance test of my own.
the pt cruiser is in a ugly car in my opinion but looks don't really matter to me if the car can perform. i don't believe it got the gt tag because it's suppose to be a slouch. after the car is broken in and gone through a few oil changes i think i'll be doing some performance test of my own.
05-21-2003, 06:59 PM
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Dang it, after all the research, searching,thinking and hopeing I did on the purchase of my 951 I come here to find that all I would really need is a PT Cruiser to satisfy my motorsports needs.Why oh why couldn't I have seen this thread a week ago.
Cool, some of you think the cruiser is all that, more power to ya. I'll keep the car that has a little bit of soul.
Regards, Picstr.
Cool, some of you think the cruiser is all that, more power to ya. I'll keep the car that has a little bit of soul.
Regards, Picstr.
05-21-2003, 07:31 PM
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I'm not getting pissed or anything. That is the glory of everyone having an opinion. [insert old pun here]
My point is this, most of the people that reply to threads like this have nothing more than opinion. It's like the 350z thread that went for days. No one had driven one yet, since they had just come out, and almost 75% of the comments were "It's a Nissan, so it is ****" "It will perform like ****" "It will smell like ****"
Come on. Be real.
I personally don't like the looks of the 350z, and the numbers are not that great, but it is a nice car. That is all I can say about it because I have not so much as sat in one. Now, if I had the chance to flog one for 10,000 miles (what I did in the PT), then I would have a basis to say it was a POS or a great car, not just an opinion.
So when people get on here and slam whatever it may be, a car, a PC, a product supplier, don't say more than you know. Someone will always be on the other side of the fence, and sometimes, they know more than you do.
And as far as soul, the PT has one, my 951 has one, they are different, like people.
Everyone cool now?
My point is this, most of the people that reply to threads like this have nothing more than opinion. It's like the 350z thread that went for days. No one had driven one yet, since they had just come out, and almost 75% of the comments were "It's a Nissan, so it is ****" "It will perform like ****" "It will smell like ****"
Come on. Be real.
I personally don't like the looks of the 350z, and the numbers are not that great, but it is a nice car. That is all I can say about it because I have not so much as sat in one. Now, if I had the chance to flog one for 10,000 miles (what I did in the PT), then I would have a basis to say it was a POS or a great car, not just an opinion.
So when people get on here and slam whatever it may be, a car, a PC, a product supplier, don't say more than you know. Someone will always be on the other side of the fence, and sometimes, they know more than you do.
And as far as soul, the PT has one, my 951 has one, they are different, like people.
Everyone cool now?
05-21-2003, 07:37 PM
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I got you beat, it seems that you have driven one PT which is your dad's, I have driven hundreds while operating my auto transport company, most of the ones I drove were ones that Chrysler bought back from customers for the lemon law so maybe I just drove the hundreds of bad apples that they had but I still insist that everyone of them was an uninspiring pile of heap, I was just hauling them back for Chrysler. I also have a friend who leased one when they first came out and paid premium because you could not get your hands on one at the time, one of the most regretable decisions of his life, he would not take one for free now.
05-21-2003, 08:09 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Picstr:
<strong>Dang it, after all the research, searching,thinking and hopeing I did on the purchase of my 951 I come here to find that all I would really need is a PT Cruiser to satisfy my motorsports needs.Why oh why couldn't I have seen this thread a week ago.
Cool, some of you think the cruiser is all that, more power to ya. I'll keep the car that has a little bit of soul.
Regards, Picstr.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is so true. People on this board are turning me off from buying a 951. I mean the 951 is gorgeous but so is a '76 Formula Firebird with a 455 Olds, 350 turbo tranny and a 373 posi-rear. Which, when all said and done, will cost me thousands less than a 951. Sure, it won't handle like a 951 but IMHO drag racing can just be as exhililerating as auto-x. I've done both so I know. They both turn heads. As of now, I think I'm going to get a classic Firebird rather than a 951. Cheaper to fix and the rewards are just the same. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
<strong>Dang it, after all the research, searching,thinking and hopeing I did on the purchase of my 951 I come here to find that all I would really need is a PT Cruiser to satisfy my motorsports needs.Why oh why couldn't I have seen this thread a week ago.
Cool, some of you think the cruiser is all that, more power to ya. I'll keep the car that has a little bit of soul.
Regards, Picstr.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is so true. People on this board are turning me off from buying a 951. I mean the 951 is gorgeous but so is a '76 Formula Firebird with a 455 Olds, 350 turbo tranny and a 373 posi-rear. Which, when all said and done, will cost me thousands less than a 951. Sure, it won't handle like a 951 but IMHO drag racing can just be as exhililerating as auto-x. I've done both so I know. They both turn heads. As of now, I think I'm going to get a classic Firebird rather than a 951. Cheaper to fix and the rewards are just the same. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
05-21-2003, 08:12 PM
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You drive them what, 5 miles? That's a test drive. So what were some of the problems of the hundreds you transported?
You have 2 people on here that own them, enjoy them, and have had no problems with them. For a $20,000 car, it's a bargain.
On a side note, the last few cars that have marched through our stable have had issues. 93 Talon, 2 heads, 32 Valves, 3 timing belts, 1 transfer case, 3 trannies, 60,000 miles, all under warantee. 98 C280 Benz, throttle response terrible, 2 ECU's, 4 Electronic throttles, and a tranny, 40,000 miles, all under warantee. '01 GTI, best friend, 2 turbos, 11 ECU changes, 3 MAF Sensors, 3 02 sensors, 1 coil pack, 4 BOV's, and 2 window regulators. This in 20,000 miles, in stock trim, and again, all under warantee.
As I stated earlier, all manufacturers are going to have issues. Out of 300,000 PT Cruisers, you haul a hundred? That's why there are recalls and lemon laws.
You have 2 people on here that own them, enjoy them, and have had no problems with them. For a $20,000 car, it's a bargain.
On a side note, the last few cars that have marched through our stable have had issues. 93 Talon, 2 heads, 32 Valves, 3 timing belts, 1 transfer case, 3 trannies, 60,000 miles, all under warantee. 98 C280 Benz, throttle response terrible, 2 ECU's, 4 Electronic throttles, and a tranny, 40,000 miles, all under warantee. '01 GTI, best friend, 2 turbos, 11 ECU changes, 3 MAF Sensors, 3 02 sensors, 1 coil pack, 4 BOV's, and 2 window regulators. This in 20,000 miles, in stock trim, and again, all under warantee.
As I stated earlier, all manufacturers are going to have issues. Out of 300,000 PT Cruisers, you haul a hundred? That's why there are recalls and lemon laws.
05-21-2003, 08:15 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by brrt50cal:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Picstr:
<strong>Dang it, after all the research, searching,thinking and hopeing I did on the purchase of my 951 I come here to find that all I would really need is a PT Cruiser to satisfy my motorsports needs.Why oh why couldn't I have seen this thread a week ago.
Cool, some of you think the cruiser is all that, more power to ya. I'll keep the car that has a little bit of soul.
Regards, Picstr.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is so true. People on this board are turning me off from buying a 951. I mean the 951 is gorgeous but so is a '76 Formula Firebird with a 455 Olds, 350 turbo tranny and a 373 posi-rear. Which, when all said and done, will cost me thousands less than a 951. Sure, it won't handle like a 951 but IMHO drag racing can just be as exhililerating as auto-x. I've done both so I know. They both turn heads. As of now, I think I'm going to get a classic Firebird rather than a 951. Cheaper to fix and the rewards are just the same.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">A 951 is not for everyone. Cars are like gloves, some fit better than others. The 951 is everything I want in a car, perhaps a classic Firebird is what you would want in a car.
Go for what makes you happy. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Picstr:
<strong>Dang it, after all the research, searching,thinking and hopeing I did on the purchase of my 951 I come here to find that all I would really need is a PT Cruiser to satisfy my motorsports needs.Why oh why couldn't I have seen this thread a week ago.
Cool, some of you think the cruiser is all that, more power to ya. I'll keep the car that has a little bit of soul.
Regards, Picstr.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">This is so true. People on this board are turning me off from buying a 951. I mean the 951 is gorgeous but so is a '76 Formula Firebird with a 455 Olds, 350 turbo tranny and a 373 posi-rear. Which, when all said and done, will cost me thousands less than a 951. Sure, it won't handle like a 951 but IMHO drag racing can just be as exhililerating as auto-x. I've done both so I know. They both turn heads. As of now, I think I'm going to get a classic Firebird rather than a 951. Cheaper to fix and the rewards are just the same.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">A 951 is not for everyone. Cars are like gloves, some fit better than others. The 951 is everything I want in a car, perhaps a classic Firebird is what you would want in a car. Go for what makes you happy. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
05-21-2003, 08:35 PM
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Can I just say this is the funniest thread Ive read on here in two weeks. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />
A PT Cruiser is definitely not for me, whether it can outrun Forest Gump or not, but if Perry likes it, thats all that matters. Ive owned a few cars people would probably question me on (Suzuki Samuari ring a bell), but we live and learn or learn to live with em. Some people need grocery getters too. Nothing wrong with that.
About the only sure bet in the autmotive world is a Lexus if you put any credibility in the JD Power stuff. I dont undestand what they are apparently doing from a reliability and customer service standpoint that kicks *** every year but they obviously have a formula down and have stuck to it. Im not a Lexus man or anything but those cars are built to standards that are downright sick. I think Lexus has the highest repeat business in the world. Something like 92% of Lexus owners are on at least their second Lexus.
A PT Cruiser is definitely not for me, whether it can outrun Forest Gump or not, but if Perry likes it, thats all that matters. Ive owned a few cars people would probably question me on (Suzuki Samuari ring a bell), but we live and learn or learn to live with em. Some people need grocery getters too. Nothing wrong with that.
About the only sure bet in the autmotive world is a Lexus if you put any credibility in the JD Power stuff. I dont undestand what they are apparently doing from a reliability and customer service standpoint that kicks *** every year but they obviously have a formula down and have stuck to it. Im not a Lexus man or anything but those cars are built to standards that are downright sick. I think Lexus has the highest repeat business in the world. Something like 92% of Lexus owners are on at least their second Lexus.
05-21-2003, 08:38 PM
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Some cars are crap. All automakers have QA, but some have better QA than others. Porsche is one of the best. Chrysler is not. My mom bought an '85 LeBaron GTS. The turbo broke, the power windows broke (repeatedly), the trip computer's buttons melted. This was all by '91, when they sold it for a few hundred dollars. My '87 951 has never had a significant problem in the 1.5 months I've owned it (or the 1.5 decade that I didn't).
I'm sure somebody here can recount a story about a 2003 996 or boxter having a problem, but they're less frequent than Chrysler problems.
There's a reason a Porsche costs five times (or more) as much as a Chrysler/Dodge. They put a lot more brainpower into R&D and QA. They contemplate more 'what if' scenarios.
Have any of you noticed that the engine and spare tire in a 944 are offset to the right? And that the battery is on the right side? Why? I bet some Porsche engineers sat around contemplating all the various layouts possible and came up with this one as the best way to counterbalance a ~200lb. weight in the driver's seat.
The little things like that will always differentiate the top quality cars from the rest.
I'm sure somebody here can recount a story about a 2003 996 or boxter having a problem, but they're less frequent than Chrysler problems.
There's a reason a Porsche costs five times (or more) as much as a Chrysler/Dodge. They put a lot more brainpower into R&D and QA. They contemplate more 'what if' scenarios.
Have any of you noticed that the engine and spare tire in a 944 are offset to the right? And that the battery is on the right side? Why? I bet some Porsche engineers sat around contemplating all the various layouts possible and came up with this one as the best way to counterbalance a ~200lb. weight in the driver's seat.
The little things like that will always differentiate the top quality cars from the rest.
05-21-2003, 08:45 PM
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I dunno, The thing that makes me love my car so much isnt even its proformance. I love my car because its classy. Yes, you can take it so a fine restraunt with the women without looking like a little kid. The porsche name has class all over it. Does Class = snobs you bet it does. It looks great and no one else has one (Well they do but I never see them). I can come to rennlist and see some people that so sick of car clubs that act like kids. That are dumb or "have a very sharp and harsh critisim of act like adults (but still have there fun). I am some cars" Like you show up in a porsche 944 and they hassle the **** outta you for hours to get a race. (dumb!)
05-21-2003, 08:51 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by UDPride:
<strong>Can I just say this is the funniest thread Ive read on here in two weeks. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />
A PT Cruiser is definitely not for me, whether it can outrun Forest Gump or not, but if Perry likes it, thats all that matters. Ive owned a few cars people would probably question me on (Suzuki Samuari ring a bell), but we live and learn or learn to live with em. Some people need grocery getters too. Nothing wrong with that.
About the only sure bet in the autmotive world is a Lexus if you put any credibility in the JD Power stuff. I dont undestand what they are apparently doing from a reliability and customer service standpoint that kicks *** every year but they obviously have a formula down and have stuck to it. Im not a Lexus man or anything but those cars are built to standards that are downright sick. I think Lexus has the highest repeat business in the world. Something like 92% of Lexus owners are on at least their second Lexus.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">HAHAHA, This is a great post I will remember this when I look under the bottom of a lexas to see stuff hanging out everywere. There reliabilty is good but there body quality of there car's (mainly underbody) is horrible. I dont like cheap cars that are made to save money and when I look at a lexus I see **** hanging down!(underbody) I know this is a very once sided view but I HATE LEXUS CARS! Why? There the japs at there best. Lets make cars that look just like other car companys and sell them for less. Even though there body and safty ratings suck (as far as US death fatality's vs car production ratio). Have you ever seen an old lexus? Well let me tell you they are not from what I see very well built veichals but everyone has there opinions.
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<strong>Can I just say this is the funniest thread Ive read on here in two weeks. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />
A PT Cruiser is definitely not for me, whether it can outrun Forest Gump or not, but if Perry likes it, thats all that matters. Ive owned a few cars people would probably question me on (Suzuki Samuari ring a bell), but we live and learn or learn to live with em. Some people need grocery getters too. Nothing wrong with that.
About the only sure bet in the autmotive world is a Lexus if you put any credibility in the JD Power stuff. I dont undestand what they are apparently doing from a reliability and customer service standpoint that kicks *** every year but they obviously have a formula down and have stuck to it. Im not a Lexus man or anything but those cars are built to standards that are downright sick. I think Lexus has the highest repeat business in the world. Something like 92% of Lexus owners are on at least their second Lexus.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">HAHAHA, This is a great post I will remember this when I look under the bottom of a lexas to see stuff hanging out everywere. There reliabilty is good but there body quality of there car's (mainly underbody) is horrible. I dont like cheap cars that are made to save money and when I look at a lexus I see **** hanging down!(underbody) I know this is a very once sided view but I HATE LEXUS CARS! Why? There the japs at there best. Lets make cars that look just like other car companys and sell them for less. Even though there body and safty ratings suck (as far as US death fatality's vs car production ratio). Have you ever seen an old lexus? Well let me tell you they are not from what I see very well built veichals but everyone has there opinions.
BTW I CAN't Spell because I dont care...