Carbon fiber interior kits - RICE or NICE?
12-08-2002, 01:24 AM
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I have always thought that if you were going to have wood or metal or carbon fiber in your car, use the real thing.
I have never seen a fake one that looks good enough to put in a porsche. Yes, the gt2 looks hot with the carbon console. But Iquestion whether or not I would order it for the price of the option.
I saw a real carbon fiber dash in a 944 once and it looked good. Most of the fake ones I have seen I did'nt like. I have a beige/light gray interior as well and I have always liked how the black trim contrasts with the light interior. I dont think that I would change it. Mabey if I had a black interior I would consider aluminum to brighten things up a bit.
I look at it this way. Carbon fiber wasent considered rice until ricers discovered it. It can be cool if it is done right and is real.
But to each his own I guess.
I have never seen a fake one that looks good enough to put in a porsche. Yes, the gt2 looks hot with the carbon console. But Iquestion whether or not I would order it for the price of the option.
I saw a real carbon fiber dash in a 944 once and it looked good. Most of the fake ones I have seen I did'nt like. I have a beige/light gray interior as well and I have always liked how the black trim contrasts with the light interior. I dont think that I would change it. Mabey if I had a black interior I would consider aluminum to brighten things up a bit.
I look at it this way. Carbon fiber wasent considered rice until ricers discovered it. It can be cool if it is done right and is real.
But to each his own I guess.
12-08-2002, 01:39 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by schlag:
<strong>To be honest I think the minimal/functional look of the factory dash trim is great, and compared to today's cluttered interiors, unique.
But then again I'm all about appreciating the 944 for what it is (an 80s sportscar) rather than trying to make it look like it's from 2002. The carbon-fibre-lookalike-stick-on-dash looks "stuck on". I also believe putting a rear valance and a turbo-nose on a NA is a crime. So you know where I'm coming from
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So do you think the 944S2 having the front and rear valence acrime too???
<strong>To be honest I think the minimal/functional look of the factory dash trim is great, and compared to today's cluttered interiors, unique.
But then again I'm all about appreciating the 944 for what it is (an 80s sportscar) rather than trying to make it look like it's from 2002. The carbon-fibre-lookalike-stick-on-dash looks "stuck on". I also believe putting a rear valance and a turbo-nose on a NA is a crime. So you know where I'm coming from
</strong><hr></blockquote>So do you think the 944S2 having the front and rear valence acrime too???
12-08-2002, 01:40 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by SamGrant951:
<strong>I added it because I feel it brings the interior to life. It was so dull so I added that and some color in a few places. It did wonders. Yes it sticks on, but mine looks as good as it did when it was first installed 4 years ago. So its not 'cheap'. Id rather have real aluminum, but anways here some pics...
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WOW props your car looks great!! Keep it up man!
<strong>I added it because I feel it brings the interior to life. It was so dull so I added that and some color in a few places. It did wonders. Yes it sticks on, but mine looks as good as it did when it was first installed 4 years ago. So its not 'cheap'. Id rather have real aluminum, but anways here some pics...
</strong><hr></blockquote>WOW props your car looks great!! Keep it up man!
12-08-2002, 01:43 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by 924Superwagen:
<strong>I can't knock carbon fibre. I need to replace the dash on the 924 as it is cracked (my choice) and I'm going to try to replicate the 924 dash entirely in carbon fibre. I love its clean look...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I want pics when u are done.
<strong>I can't knock carbon fibre. I need to replace the dash on the 924 as it is cracked (my choice) and I'm going to try to replicate the 924 dash entirely in carbon fibre. I love its clean look...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I want pics when u are done.
12-08-2002, 01:45 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Rich Sandor:
<strong>I think the REAL carbon fibre in, for example, the multi-million dollar McLaren F1 looks cheap. I know it isn't, and I know it's lighter, but it would LOOK better covered in some plush leather.
Despite the weight addition, I was thinking of buying some sheets of leather, like I did when I re-covered the shift boot and arm rest (for $10cdn), and just covering EVERYTHING in plush, black leather.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey Rich besure to join our 944 cruise next spring! We had ablast, about 12 cars showed up. See next year.
<strong>I think the REAL carbon fibre in, for example, the multi-million dollar McLaren F1 looks cheap. I know it isn't, and I know it's lighter, but it would LOOK better covered in some plush leather.
Despite the weight addition, I was thinking of buying some sheets of leather, like I did when I re-covered the shift boot and arm rest (for $10cdn), and just covering EVERYTHING in plush, black leather.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey Rich besure to join our 944 cruise next spring! We had ablast, about 12 cars showed up. See next year.
12-08-2002, 01:47 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by meng:
<strong>SamGrant951:
Your interior is real nice and I think the CF kit in an all black interior looks real nice- but I have a beige interior with the black dash and always wondered how it would look with CF or Aluminum...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I dont think I would do either with that colour. BUT if u did decide go Aluminum
<strong>SamGrant951:
Your interior is real nice and I think the CF kit in an all black interior looks real nice- but I have a beige interior with the black dash and always wondered how it would look with CF or Aluminum...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I dont think I would do either with that colour. BUT if u did decide go Aluminum
12-08-2002, 09:42 AM
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I firmly believe that everyone should do what they want & can afford to do to the car that they own. But we are each also free to form our own opinion of the judgement, taste, skill, or maturity of the person who did the modification.
Having said all that, I think the general definition of "rice" is add-ons or modifications that give little or no performance increase (fart cans), just the appearance of one, or that create a "Hey, look at me!" image (light-up washer nozzles).
So, in my opinion, stick-on CF is rice. It's non-functional, it adds a tiny bit of weight without providing any of the functional benefit of the real thing, and it introduces a discordant styling element into a nearly two-decade-old interior design that is an elegant classic in its unmolested form.
But that's just an opinion. Y'all do whatever moves you.
On a related note, at work we bought some pre-made CF strips for materials testing. Three 1" by 1/8" strips, 36" long, cost ~$50. We did our first two successful tensile test pulls this past week. The best of the two pulls gave an ultimate / breaking strength of just short of a quarter-million psi! I'm impressed.. very, very imperessed!
If the price of the material and the labor or technology cost of producing parts with it can be brought down to a daily consumer level similar to that of aluminum, we're in for a significant revolution in engineering materials. Dunno when or if this can / will happen, but I hope it does.
Jim, did I mention that I was impressed?
Having said all that, I think the general definition of "rice" is add-ons or modifications that give little or no performance increase (fart cans), just the appearance of one, or that create a "Hey, look at me!" image (light-up washer nozzles).
So, in my opinion, stick-on CF is rice. It's non-functional, it adds a tiny bit of weight without providing any of the functional benefit of the real thing, and it introduces a discordant styling element into a nearly two-decade-old interior design that is an elegant classic in its unmolested form.
But that's just an opinion. Y'all do whatever moves you.
On a related note, at work we bought some pre-made CF strips for materials testing. Three 1" by 1/8" strips, 36" long, cost ~$50. We did our first two successful tensile test pulls this past week. The best of the two pulls gave an ultimate / breaking strength of just short of a quarter-million psi! I'm impressed.. very, very imperessed!
If the price of the material and the labor or technology cost of producing parts with it can be brought down to a daily consumer level similar to that of aluminum, we're in for a significant revolution in engineering materials. Dunno when or if this can / will happen, but I hope it does.
Jim, did I mention that I was impressed?
12-08-2002, 10:19 AM
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Ferdinand's company is selling extremely expensive carbon kits for the new 911s. So, I don't think they would consider it rice. My dash had finally gotten to the point that I added a coverlay-is that also rice?
Anyway, as has been said, they are our cars to do with as we will. The people that mind don't matter and the people that matter don't mind.
Anyway, as has been said, they are our cars to do with as we will. The people that mind don't matter and the people that matter don't mind.
12-08-2002, 11:22 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by 944S2NUT:
<strong>I want pics when u are done.</strong><hr></blockquote>Will do... I should have a website and a Webshots album set up just for that purpose. I should start work on the car after my trip to Detroit in May (Formula SAE competition) and as soon as I can get a job to pay for everything.
<strong>I want pics when u are done.</strong><hr></blockquote>Will do... I should have a website and a Webshots album set up just for that purpose. I should start work on the car after my trip to Detroit in May (Formula SAE competition) and as soon as I can get a job to pay for everything.
12-08-2002, 12:06 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by schlag:
<strong> I also believe putting a rear valance and a turbo-nose on a NA is a crime. So you know where I'm coming from </strong><hr></blockquote>
I really don't consider that a bad thing. It's not like they're adding extreme body kits or anything outrageous. The turbo/S2 nose is more aerodynamic, so it does provide benefits especially at the speeds these cars can travel, which is why they designed that new nose and rear valence in the first place.
In all reality nobody that doesn't see these cars everyday knows that the Turbo has a different nose and the rear valence than the rest, so it's not like they're trying to pretend to be a turbo unless they put turbo badges and things on. The Turbo/S2 style just looks a lot cleaner to me and if I had an NA I would probably want to do that change to it too.
<strong> I also believe putting a rear valance and a turbo-nose on a NA is a crime. So you know where I'm coming from
</strong><hr></blockquote>I really don't consider that a bad thing. It's not like they're adding extreme body kits or anything outrageous. The turbo/S2 nose is more aerodynamic, so it does provide benefits especially at the speeds these cars can travel, which is why they designed that new nose and rear valence in the first place.
In all reality nobody that doesn't see these cars everyday knows that the Turbo has a different nose and the rear valence than the rest, so it's not like they're trying to pretend to be a turbo unless they put turbo badges and things on. The Turbo/S2 style just looks a lot cleaner to me and if I had an NA I would probably want to do that change to it too.
12-08-2002, 01:13 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Rich Sandor:
<strong>I'll be there Travis. And if you ever feel like taking our twins out for a spin, lemme know.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hehe that sounds great! Email me at sasselin@telus.net I will send you some of our cruise pics. We have agreat bunch of guys in the group.
<strong>I'll be there Travis. And if you ever feel like taking our twins out for a spin, lemme know.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hehe that sounds great! Email me at sasselin@telus.net I will send you some of our cruise pics. We have agreat bunch of guys in the group.
12-08-2002, 01:14 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by 924Superwagen:
<strong>Will do... I should have a website and a Webshots album set up just for that purpose. I should start work on the car after my trip to Detroit in May (Formula SAE competition) and as soon as I can get a job to pay for everything.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Great looking forward to it.
<strong>Will do... I should have a website and a Webshots album set up just for that purpose. I should start work on the car after my trip to Detroit in May (Formula SAE competition) and as soon as I can get a job to pay for everything.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Great looking forward to it.
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[quote]Originally posted by dave120:
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I really don't consider that a bad thing. It's not like they're adding extreme body kits or anything outrageous. The turbo/S2 nose is more aerodynamic, so it does provide benefits especially at the speeds these cars can travel, which is why they designed that new nose and rear valence in the first place.
In all reality nobody that doesn't see these cars everyday knows that the Turbo has a different nose and the rear valence than the rest, so it's not like they're trying to pretend to be a turbo unless they put turbo badges and things on. The Turbo/S2 style just looks a lot cleaner to me and if I had an NA I would probably want to do that change to it too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Counldn't have said it better <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
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I really don't consider that a bad thing. It's not like they're adding extreme body kits or anything outrageous. The turbo/S2 nose is more aerodynamic, so it does provide benefits especially at the speeds these cars can travel, which is why they designed that new nose and rear valence in the first place.
In all reality nobody that doesn't see these cars everyday knows that the Turbo has a different nose and the rear valence than the rest, so it's not like they're trying to pretend to be a turbo unless they put turbo badges and things on. The Turbo/S2 style just looks a lot cleaner to me and if I had an NA I would probably want to do that change to it too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Counldn't have said it better <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />