Evap system removal
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Just trying to clarify here.
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As I understand it, the Purge valve opens with the vehicle reaches a set temperature, and the vehicle it at cruising speeds, or on throttle closed deceleration (dont quote me on that 100%). The temp sender under the intake opens and allows vacuum to reach the purge valve near the fuse box. When the valve opens, fumes from the tank are vented into the charcoal cannister, and expelled.
Scootin: I will try and find you some print info on this system.
Scootin: I will try and find you some print info on this system.
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As I understand it, the Purge valve opens with the vehicle reaches a set temperature, and the vehicle it at cruising speeds, or on throttle closed deceleration (dont quote me on that 100%). The temp sender under the intake opens and allows vacuum to reach the purge valve near the fuse box. When the valve opens, fumes from the tank are vented into the charcoal cannister, and expelled.
Scootin: I will try and find you some print info on this system.
Scootin: I will try and find you some print info on this system.
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Because your 20 year old canister is probably half to fully clogged and needs vacuum to pull anything through it. ATM pressure alone might not be enough to let it vent. That is why I opted to remove everything all the way back to the tank. I saved quite a bit of weight as well.
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Thanks Stephen for the help. Also, if your cannister is blocked off everywhere except the line from the tank, and there is no help drawing the fuel vapors into it, why would the fumes not just stay in the tank? It needs some help from engine vacuum to circulate.
Scott: i dont have any literature on the system in print. Just a diagram showing flow etc.
EDIT: the system also purges on initial start up to vent vapors that occur while not running.
Scott: i dont have any literature on the system in print. Just a diagram showing flow etc.
EDIT: the system also purges on initial start up to vent vapors that occur while not running.
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After looking at the diagram for a while, it would appear that the vapors get pulled through the cannister then gets sent back into the j-boot to be recycled. One would think that on a turbo car this would mess with AFR's a little bit as it is being added AFTER the AFM/MAF.
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Well here is another question, if you pull off the rubber line that connects to the hard line on the firewall is the tank free to vent from that hard line or do you need to remove more stuff at the tank end?
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As I understand it: When the engine isn't running at temp, the expanding pressure in the fuel tank pushes fuel vapor into the charcoal canister. Once the engine is up to temp, the thermal valve opens causing the purge valve to open, which in turn causes the fuel vapor to be diverted into the intake to be burned off.
I removed everything back to number 30, and stuck a small filter (similar to the one pictured) on the end to prevent it from getting plugged up.
The only thing the vacuum does is divert the fuel vapor into the intake instead of allowing it to go into the charcoal canister. The fuel tank will still vent off excess pressure without the vacuum system in place.
I removed everything back to number 30, and stuck a small filter (similar to the one pictured) on the end to prevent it from getting plugged up.
The only thing the vacuum does is divert the fuel vapor into the intake instead of allowing it to go into the charcoal canister. The fuel tank will still vent off excess pressure without the vacuum system in place.
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I did this last winter, nice to clean up the engine bay a bit and slight weight reduction. Here is what I used.
1. From McMaster-Carr: part # 51115K605 it's an 8mm plug for vac line coming off the J-boot, 1 required.
2. From Pegasus: K & N Crankcase Vent Filter, part# KN 62-1330, 1 required.
I deleted the fuel vent line running back to the tank and added the K&N filter back there, used zip ties for fastening.
1. From McMaster-Carr: part # 51115K605 it's an 8mm plug for vac line coming off the J-boot, 1 required.
2. From Pegasus: K & N Crankcase Vent Filter, part# KN 62-1330, 1 required.
I deleted the fuel vent line running back to the tank and added the K&N filter back there, used zip ties for fastening.
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As I understand it: When the engine isn't running at temp, the expanding pressure in the fuel tank pushes fuel vapor into the charcoal canister. Once the engine is up to temp, the thermal valve opens causing the purge valve to open, which in turn causes the fuel vapor to be diverted into the intake to be burned off.
I removed everything back to number 30, and stuck a small filter (similar to the one pictured) on the end to prevent it from getting plugged up.
The only thing the vacuum does is divert the fuel vapor into the intake instead of allowing it to go into the charcoal canister. The fuel tank will still vent off excess pressure without the vacuum system in place.
I removed everything back to number 30, and stuck a small filter (similar to the one pictured) on the end to prevent it from getting plugged up.
The only thing the vacuum does is divert the fuel vapor into the intake instead of allowing it to go into the charcoal canister. The fuel tank will still vent off excess pressure without the vacuum system in place.
Everyone was talking about removing everything and then trying to say you need vacuum, which didn't make sense if your talking about removing the stuff.
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Thank you Shiners
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After looking at the diagram for a while, it would appear that the vapors get pulled through the cannister then gets sent back into the j-boot to be recycled. One would think that on a turbo car this would mess with AFR's a little bit as it is being added AFTER the AFM/MAF.
If you car is not running and the tank builds excessive pressure, it will still vent to atm.
So far I have not had any fuel smell coming from any part of the car.
This is exactly what I did as well except I used a cute little red filter from the ricer isle at pepboys. It's like a mini K&N. This is my anti-rice since it now sits just above my gas tank where no one but me will see it. lol