FIXED!!! Bad vibration on down shift!!!
#16
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by stevep2000
Presume you're aware of this possibility with the Balance Shaft belts ....
The shafts have one keyway but the pulley has 2. If you take one off and the balance shaft has the weight at the top - then when you are not looking it can turn under its own weight 180 degrees and you can then fit the pulley on again with all the timing marks lining up - but the shaft is then 180 degrees out of phase.
So it is not just the timing marks that must be in line!
(Copyright Baz Hartech - UK)
The shafts have one keyway but the pulley has 2. If you take one off and the balance shaft has the weight at the top - then when you are not looking it can turn under its own weight 180 degrees and you can then fit the pulley on again with all the timing marks lining up - but the shaft is then 180 degrees out of phase.
So it is not just the timing marks that must be in line!
(Copyright Baz Hartech - UK)
#17
On the Radar
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If the the whole clutch assembly was replaced (flywheel, cluctch and pressure plate) the parts should be balanced seperatly and then all parts as as an entire assembly prior to reinstallation. You would be surprised how out of balance thses can be.
The reson for the rubber centered clutch disc was to absorb these viberations. With a spring centered disc the viberations are amplified.
The reson for the rubber centered clutch disc was to absorb these viberations. With a spring centered disc the viberations are amplified.
#21
Captain Obvious
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vibration or shudder when downshifting? shudder is from engine and transaxle having different revs...rev matching cures this. you said you do this...does it still vibrate even when you blip the throttle to rev match on a downshift?
if that's the case....hmmmm....i'd check the motor mounts, possibly check the transaxle mounts too, maybe the cv joints' cheeseheads are loose (long shot) or perhaps the torque tube bearings are gone...
if that's the case....hmmmm....i'd check the motor mounts, possibly check the transaxle mounts too, maybe the cv joints' cheeseheads are loose (long shot) or perhaps the torque tube bearings are gone...
#22
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by harrisonrick
vibration or shudder when downshifting? shudder is from engine and transaxle having different revs...rev matching cures this. you said you do this...does it still vibrate even when you blip the throttle to rev match on a downshift?
if that's the case....hmmmm....i'd check the motor mounts, possibly check the transaxle mounts too, maybe the cv joints' cheeseheads are loose (long shot) or perhaps the torque tube bearings are gone...
if that's the case....hmmmm....i'd check the motor mounts, possibly check the transaxle mounts too, maybe the cv joints' cheeseheads are loose (long shot) or perhaps the torque tube bearings are gone...
#23
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Originally Posted by jbrill
it has a brand new fly wheel along with everything else...
The parts should still be balanced. You would be surprised how out of balance they are right out of the box.
#24
Same thing on my '89 S2. 3krpm vibration + 3->2 shake after clutch replacement. New original spring centered clutch disc. New motor mounts, new tranny mounts. BS belts/gears/setup - perfect.
#25
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by tkacki
Same thing on my '89 S2. 3krpm vibration + 3->2 shake after clutch replacement. New original spring centered clutch disc. New motor mounts, new tranny mounts. BS belts/gears/setup - perfect.
So before the replacement there was no problem?
What was in there before - spring or rubber centre clutch?
#26
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my 2c worth...
89 S2...No vibrations...
April 2005 - New engine mounts.... still no vibrations...
Aug 2005 - 3000-3200 vibrations started at same time as I started to get a whip-lashing at pedal on/off. Vibrations most noticable in 2 & 3rd gear. Cause - Blown rubber centered clutch.
Aug 2005 - Clutch replaced with SACHS spring centered... flywheel smooth....
Transaxle a little noisier at idle... no vibrations to date....
I did once had a Golf that got oil in the inspection hole on the bellhousing. Oiled up the clutch plate nice and good.... the car shuddered badly whenever the clutch was engaged.
What is the chance of stuff getting in there on your S2 during a steam clean or something and soiling the clutch plate surface?
89 S2...No vibrations...
April 2005 - New engine mounts.... still no vibrations...
Aug 2005 - 3000-3200 vibrations started at same time as I started to get a whip-lashing at pedal on/off. Vibrations most noticable in 2 & 3rd gear. Cause - Blown rubber centered clutch.
Aug 2005 - Clutch replaced with SACHS spring centered... flywheel smooth....
Transaxle a little noisier at idle... no vibrations to date....
I did once had a Golf that got oil in the inspection hole on the bellhousing. Oiled up the clutch plate nice and good.... the car shuddered badly whenever the clutch was engaged.
What is the chance of stuff getting in there on your S2 during a steam clean or something and soiling the clutch plate surface?
#27
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by PennyWise
my 2c worth...
I did once had a Golf that got oil in the inspection hole on the bellhousing. Oiled up the clutch plate nice and good.... the car shuddered badly whenever the clutch was engaged.
I did once had a Golf that got oil in the inspection hole on the bellhousing. Oiled up the clutch plate nice and good.... the car shuddered badly whenever the clutch was engaged.
Yes ....... they poured the oil in the clutch inspection hole. Needless to say I never saw them drive that Golf again.
#28
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by PennyWise
my 2c worth...
What is the chance of stuff getting in there on your S2 during a steam clean or something and soiling the clutch plate surface?
What is the chance of stuff getting in there on your S2 during a steam clean or something and soiling the clutch plate surface?