Imo000

3 years ago I pulled a 13.7sec ¼ mile out of my 100% stock ’85 32V 5-speed 928S.

A year later with only a set of chips and nothing else (stock tires, weight etc.) it dropped down to 13.5sec.

The following year, after building a non intercooled supercharger system (~6psi) it went down to 12.8sec. Since this was a home built kit, the total cost of the SC was less than $1000. So it is entirely possible to make a 928 go pretty fast for not a lot of $$$$$$. All it takes is time and effort.

Legoland951

I went with a friend to the track and he was in a 87 928S4 5 speed. He had no previous launching experience at the track (first time 1/4 miler for his 928), he was able to get 14.1. Its hard to believe an 85 with 30+ less hp will be able to get 13.7 though.

Imo000

Yeah, I know what you mean and just by looking ant the published figures one would have the natural conclusion that the early 32Vs had to be slower than the later S4s. I know they were the tests engine for the later S4 versions. Perhaps the factory hp rating was extremely conservative. They are knows to benefit the most from a chip change (~25hp) and the cams resemble more of that of a GT than an S4.
I did forgot to mention that at the 12.7sec run, the officials at the track just laid down a fresh coat of traction compound just as I was rolling to the start line. I know this made a huge difference cause the car flew forward after dropping the clutch at 5000rpm. This might also be possible with a really nice wide set of tires too so the traction compound is not really that relevant.

hacker-pschorr

Like I said above - if I misunderstood I apologize. The term "must be nice" I have never heard used in any context other than derogatory; this seams to be one exception.

Problem is, your initial post about Mark's write off can be viewed by many as a derogatory comment about someone taking "advantage" of the system by those who are uninformed (high population around here)

hacker-pschorr

.4 seconds is the difference between weight (85 is lighter) driver skill, launching surface, tires etc.... not that much of a difference when you break it down.

porshhhh951

Meh we've had a couple 928's and 944's. I've got plenty expeirence with both of them. I say if you are looking for a solid daily driver thats easy around town and wont beat you to death go for the 928. Make sure you get a 4v though. In my opinion I wouldn't own a pre 87 928.

If you are looking for something to maybe play around with on the weekends and you might want to mod it some modestly speaking. I say buy the 944 turbo. Its a very rewarding car but, very very different from a 928.

Faster is a realitive term. In stock form I think they are pretty damn close when it comes to mods. There is no replacement for displacement. A modded 928 will always out perform a modded 944 turbo. I have a friend running a cam/head combo with louis ott exhaust larger fuel injectors and a 150shot of nitrous. That thing kicks man. It would kill me on the top end and the low end.

My father is prolly going to supercharge his s4 to try and keep up with me. I'll just upgrade my turbo and cam when he does that. hehe.

Imo000

Why wouldn’t you want to own a 16V Euro S (310hp) or an early 32V (’85-’86) US? They are both just as fast or maybe faster than the S4. The main problem with the 928 is that 80% of them are autos. Finding any of the above mentioned models in a 5-speed is the way to go. My first 928 was an ’83 US spec Auto, It was nice but nothing like my ’85 (32V) 5-speed.

Robby

"...If you run the 968 at high rpms and shift at the right spot on the power curve...the 928 has to run hard to stay in front. Of course, the big V8 just winds out and the shifts required are less frequent. Something to be said for brute strength and gearing..."

The 968 has short-*** gearing- I don't like it, personally- people assume since it has a 6th gear, that it's a tall top gear, but it's not. 6th in a 968 is shorter than 5th in a 951- they kind of crammed in the top 3 gears. It does, however, help acceleration at higher speeds. The 928 has very tall gearing, or at least all the ones I've seen (more versions to keep up with). They were actually too tall & that's coming from a guy who loves taller gearing, but when you've got a 968 redlining 6th at 156mph & a 928S4 w/only5 gears & 5th capable of 220mph+, the 968 has the obvious gearing advantage that can only be overcome by superior TQ, or, as you said, "brute strength." Don't any 928 owners do shorter R&P's? Also, did the GT &/or GTS have slightly shorter gearing? It surprises me the 928 never had a 6-sp considering that it was still being made right alongside the 968 until 1995...

John- good to see you here- I hope things are looking up for you...? Doesn't your 951 already have a modded turbo? Did you ever even find out what type it was & are you sure it's not just a maxed out K26-8...? Maybe it just FEELS slow b/c of where you are, w/all those modded Supra TT's & Vipers running around...? I'd love to hear how your Dad's S4 turns out...

I think part of the reason why some people would rather own later 928s is b/c of looks- personally, I think the S4 is where they really started looking good- I didn't like the looks of the earlier ones as much, although they do have their advantages. One thing I never liked about any of them is the squared off wheel wells. I saw one recently w/rounded wheel arches- I really liked it...

porshhhh951

Because the later s4's are alot prettier. The 16v euro motor is okay yes but, that isint easy to come by. I wouldn't want to have to buy a motor and transplant something. If I was doing that I would build a storker. I realize alot of them are auto's but, you can find 5 speeds out there. I can real close a couple years ago to buying a GT model fitted with a 5speed.

I love 928's and have respect for all of them but, when I buy mine it will be a 87+ newer. I really want a GT cause they can be had for cheep.

testarossa_td

I have had several 928's. My favorite was a 1980 euro S. I enjoyed it much more than the 85s I had. Both black on black. I loved the Auto, hated the 5 speed baseball bat. You just have to know how to play the auto.
I did not care for the 928 body post 85(in fact I kind of like the no rubber tail look), but like all things Porsche® it grows on you.

But bang for buck the 951 is hard to beat! of course with the 928 you get a lot more what is that questions

EuroS in front of gate,85s this side ...and that is NTX!