Notices
924/931/944/951/968 Forum Porsche 924, 924S, 931, 944, 944S, 944S2, 951, and 968 discussion, how-to guides, and technical help. (1976-1995)
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Failed smog, Help!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-14-2006, 06:25 AM
  #1  
Alexlepro
Track Day
Thread Starter
 
Alexlepro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: San Diego
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Failed smog, Help!

I just bought a 1984 944 in very good condition. The car looks and runs great and has no mechanical problems but I just took it to smog and it failed miserably (in CO at least). Well here are the results:

15mph:
RPM: 1757
CO2: 10.5
O2: 0.0
HC: 264 (Max 135)
CO: 6.65 (Max .83)
NO: 202 (Max 1136)

25mph:
RPM: 2801
CO2: 11.5
O2: 0.0
HC: 247 (Max 110)
CO: 5.00 (Max 0.63)
NO: 659 (Max: 966)

The car is stock and in California. When I got it 2 weeks ago it obviously had a crack in the exhaust. As it had happened to previous 944's I have owned there was a nice crack right before the catalytic converter. In my last 944 I welded the crack and everything was fine so I did the same to this one before the test. Could it be the cat that needs replacing? Other than that, the car runs great. What could be causing these high numbers?
Old 08-14-2006, 10:34 AM
  #2  
SoCal Driver
Race Car
 
SoCal Driver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Costa Mesa, California
Posts: 3,781
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Running rich. Check the vacuum lines to the fpr and damper. The rubber fittings harden and leak. The plastic tubing also imbrittles and cracks. Check the fuel pressure after fixing the vacuum lines.

High HC and low NOx is rich. Reversed and it's too lean. Could have ruined the CAT running too rich. A bad O2 sensor will throw the DME into a rich mode too.
Old 08-14-2006, 11:35 AM
  #3  
ibkevin
Defending the Border
Rennlist Member

Rest In Peace
 
ibkevin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sun Diego
Posts: 17,541
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Alex, where in SD are you?
Old 08-14-2006, 05:34 PM
  #4  
Alexlepro
Track Day
Thread Starter
 
Alexlepro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: San Diego
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

ibkevin, I'm in North County, in Vista.
Thanks for the help so far, i'll look into a vacuum leak.
Old 08-14-2006, 07:20 PM
  #5  
nickg
Three Wheelin'
 
nickg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: nj
Posts: 1,296
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

change the oil, put fresh plugs in and look for vacum leaks. Get the car really hot and measure Voltage at the o2 senser...it should vary from .00-.9 volts with rapid(about 3 times a second or better) cycling. if not replace the o2.
Old 08-14-2006, 09:18 PM
  #6  
ibkevin
Defending the Border
Rennlist Member

Rest In Peace
 
ibkevin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sun Diego
Posts: 17,541
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

I had to replace my O2 sensor when I first brought the 951 from Wisconnsin to pass smog.

If you think you need to swap the cat, I have one pending sale, just let me know.

Last edited by ibkevin; 08-01-2013 at 01:07 PM.
Old 08-15-2006, 10:38 PM
  #7  
Alexlepro
Track Day
Thread Starter
 
Alexlepro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: San Diego
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have a few questions. First, how to I go about checking for vacuum leaks. I was told to spray starter fluid on the lines when the engine is cold but it seems there must be a better way. Also is there any way to tell if a catalytic converter is bad? Visual inspection? If so, what are some giveaways?
Old 08-15-2006, 11:10 PM
  #8  
mavfan
Three Wheelin'
 
mavfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: O'Fallon, IL
Posts: 1,807
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i would say your car is in desperate need of a new cat. my 944 was horrible like that, and with a new(used) cat it passed perfectly
Old 08-16-2006, 12:04 AM
  #9  
ibkevin
Defending the Border
Rennlist Member

Rest In Peace
 
ibkevin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sun Diego
Posts: 17,541
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

How did the O2 sensor test go?
Old 08-16-2006, 12:42 AM
  #10  
unsigned
Racer
 
unsigned's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Gurnee, IL (Chicago burbs)
Posts: 392
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I just passed IL emissions with flying colors today. Well, the gas cap failed, but the sniffer test was a joke.
Old 08-16-2006, 12:50 AM
  #11  
mavfan
Three Wheelin'
 
mavfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: O'Fallon, IL
Posts: 1,807
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i dont understand that part, where they hook that think up to your gas cap? can anyone explain?
Old 08-16-2006, 01:04 AM
  #12  
KuHL 951
Hey Man
Rennlist Member

 
KuHL 951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Nor Cal, Seal Rock, OR
Posts: 16,514
Received 182 Likes on 107 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mavfan
i dont understand that part, where they hook that think up to your gas cap? can anyone explain?

They check the cap for a tight seal on a machine to make sure gas vapors go back through the charcoal canister and not vent to atmosphere.
Old 08-16-2006, 01:36 AM
  #13  
unsigned
Racer
 
unsigned's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Gurnee, IL (Chicago burbs)
Posts: 392
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by KuHL 951
They check the cap for a tight seal on a machine to make sure gas vapors go back through the charcoal canister and not vent to atmosphere.

yep, the rubber part on my cap was all cracked. I guess I wan't too suprised, though it passed last year.
Old 08-16-2006, 03:46 AM
  #14  
Alexlepro
Track Day
Thread Starter
 
Alexlepro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: San Diego
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Alright, just checked the O2 sensor, it always reads .45 volts without changing so I guess it's shot. I'm happy it was something simple. We will see at the smog tomorrow.
Old 08-16-2006, 11:07 AM
  #15  
nickg
Three Wheelin'
 
nickg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: nj
Posts: 1,296
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

that it is...make sure the car was HOT...


Quick Reply: Failed smog, Help!



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 10:22 AM.