The 944: classic car?
06-07-2006, 07:49 PM
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Yes.
Kids who lusted after the cars in the 80's will buy them as they gain affluence. For the most of this group this will occur after their kids leave the house. It happened with classic european, with the mussel cars and will happen with to the 944.
If you were born in 1980 had your last kid at 26 that means you are buying in 2026. When it happens the old salts will trade stories about the time when you could get a 944 in good shape for the same price as a nice tv.
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Kids who lusted after the cars in the 80's will buy them as they gain affluence. For the most of this group this will occur after their kids leave the house. It happened with classic european, with the mussel cars and will happen with to the 944.
If you were born in 1980 had your last kid at 26 that means you are buying in 2026. When it happens the old salts will trade stories about the time when you could get a 944 in good shape for the same price as a nice tv.
Cheers
06-07-2006, 08:45 PM
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The 968 has a better shot since there were only roughly 14,000 made ever in all markets. The 951 has a shot as a niche vehicle. The "new" P-cars like the Boxster and Cayenne have NO shot.
06-07-2006, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by M758
Personally I don't believe the 944 NA will ever be worth anything. Reason is we have the 944 Turbo.
To most folks 944 NA = v6 mustang or camero while a 944 Turbo is Big motor V8. Right now the big money goes to the big motor cars. The more plentiful small motor version get much less attention except when the big motor cars are REALLY expensive (example wedge head dodge vs hemi).
To most folks 944 NA = v6 mustang or camero while a 944 Turbo is Big motor V8. Right now the big money goes to the big motor cars. The more plentiful small motor version get much less attention except when the big motor cars are REALLY expensive (example wedge head dodge vs hemi).
06-07-2006, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorax
The I-6 60's stangs are collectable... Just not AS valueble.
Relax. Lorax, it's a joke. I just would never personally ever own a ford.
06-07-2006, 11:01 PM
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Its still too early. In 20 years, i bet the 944 will be a collectable. Their styling is unbelievably well done. I saw one the other day and it made me remember why I love these. On the road it was soooo awesome looking. I never get to see mine when I drive! Cars like the Martini 924, 944 Turbo S with the plaid interior, Turbo Cabs, S2 cabs, 968 CS, etc... will all be desireable cars in the future. Not to everyone, but there will be people who find collectability in them. The whole world doesn't need to recognize them to be collectable. I wouldn't pay $5 for an old Ford. I don't care what it is. Then again, a concours perfect low mileage 944 that runs perfectly in 30 years will be the diamond to lust over.
Beautiful lines never age. And the more I see these new designs come out, the more I realize our cars don't look dated at all, especially if they are well kept and the paint is flawless.
Beautiful lines never age. And the more I see these new designs come out, the more I realize our cars don't look dated at all, especially if they are well kept and the paint is flawless.
06-07-2006, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorax
The I-6 60's stangs are collectable... Just not AS valueble.
I believe it is a spin off of the power of the v8's.
Not every can get a the MOST desirable Mustang so many settle for something close.
06-08-2006, 03:48 AM
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I think a distinction needs to be made here between "collectible" and "worth a lot of money".
Going back to the point that 914s are collectible now. Yes, indeed they are. Fifteen years ago, you could not give a 914 away. Today, they are well-regarded and good ones bring in, what, $5-$10k? (I don't know, just guessing on the price). Point is, they are not worth a lot of money, but they are worth something, and their value has increased over the past 10-15 years enough to make up for what owners who have kept them have spent on maintenance, repairs, etc.
The 944 was one of the most lusted-after cars of the 1980s. Nearly every Japanese manufacturer had a 944-wannabe imitator car (240sx, RX-7, Starion, etc.). In the early years, there were waiting lists to buy 944s. It was named "best handling car in the world" by one magazine. It was a standard by which many cars were judged, beyond just sporty hatch backs.
The quality of the 944, as with other Porsches of the era, speaks for itself. The fact that there are so many of them left right now, ironically, probably hurts its value because of supply vs. demand (when I tried to sell my 83 944 in fall of 2003, there were at one point eighty-four --as in quantity, not year-- other various 944s for sale in Ohio alone). There were fewer 1980s Firebirds for sale at the same time from the same sources. But anyway, as for quality, the 944 is the anti-rustbucket, and will go hundreds of thousands of miles if looked after. At the very least, it will develop a cult following like the BMW 2002, as a practical, reliable, fun, thoroughbred.
For every 930 or Carrera or SC, there are several flat-sided, lesser-powered 911s. For every early "S", there are several "E" and even more "T" early 911s. They are all collectible, are all worth a decent sum of money, and of course, the faster ones are priced appropriately higher. The 944 series will follow suit. Remember, it's only "not a real Porsche" and the 911 is only significantly superior to the baby boomer snobs; to the guy born in the seventies who had Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari, and Lotus posters in his bedroom as a kid in the 80s, the 944 was just as cool and just as "Porsche". He and thousands of his peers are the reason why 944s, which have always been regarded as one of the world's great driver's cars, will be considered collectible and valued deservingly in the future.
And who knows -- maybe soaring gas prices will help the desirability of the myriad four-cylinder sports/GT cars of the 80s?
Going back to the point that 914s are collectible now. Yes, indeed they are. Fifteen years ago, you could not give a 914 away. Today, they are well-regarded and good ones bring in, what, $5-$10k? (I don't know, just guessing on the price). Point is, they are not worth a lot of money, but they are worth something, and their value has increased over the past 10-15 years enough to make up for what owners who have kept them have spent on maintenance, repairs, etc.
The 944 was one of the most lusted-after cars of the 1980s. Nearly every Japanese manufacturer had a 944-wannabe imitator car (240sx, RX-7, Starion, etc.). In the early years, there were waiting lists to buy 944s. It was named "best handling car in the world" by one magazine. It was a standard by which many cars were judged, beyond just sporty hatch backs.
The quality of the 944, as with other Porsches of the era, speaks for itself. The fact that there are so many of them left right now, ironically, probably hurts its value because of supply vs. demand (when I tried to sell my 83 944 in fall of 2003, there were at one point eighty-four --as in quantity, not year-- other various 944s for sale in Ohio alone). There were fewer 1980s Firebirds for sale at the same time from the same sources. But anyway, as for quality, the 944 is the anti-rustbucket, and will go hundreds of thousands of miles if looked after. At the very least, it will develop a cult following like the BMW 2002, as a practical, reliable, fun, thoroughbred.
For every 930 or Carrera or SC, there are several flat-sided, lesser-powered 911s. For every early "S", there are several "E" and even more "T" early 911s. They are all collectible, are all worth a decent sum of money, and of course, the faster ones are priced appropriately higher. The 944 series will follow suit. Remember, it's only "not a real Porsche" and the 911 is only significantly superior to the baby boomer snobs; to the guy born in the seventies who had Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari, and Lotus posters in his bedroom as a kid in the 80s, the 944 was just as cool and just as "Porsche". He and thousands of his peers are the reason why 944s, which have always been regarded as one of the world's great driver's cars, will be considered collectible and valued deservingly in the future.
And who knows -- maybe soaring gas prices will help the desirability of the myriad four-cylinder sports/GT cars of the 80s?
06-08-2006, 01:49 PM
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I have a feeling they will start to come back up, I've been thinking for a while the same thing some others said about the 914. Of course I hope the 924S comes along for the ride. There seem to be so few of them - I have only seen one other than the one parked in my garage.
06-08-2006, 09:16 PM
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Personally, I think that the 944 will become a collector as it is an 80's icon, just as I believe the IROC Z-28s will become collectors as well.
Value wise, I am with Joe on this one - The 951 will be a more desirable "collector" than an NA. As the owner of a 2.7 89, I can hope that the "uniqueness" will factor in when/if I do sell it, but I did not buy this car as an investment. I have already put in the same amount that I paid for it in 2 years of ownership.
The S2s and 968s have a better chance of landing in a car museum or a collection with the points that Tony K made.
As for a 924S becoming 'collectable' how about the 914-6 and how the perceived value of those has risen in the past couple of years.....
Value wise, I am with Joe on this one - The 951 will be a more desirable "collector" than an NA. As the owner of a 2.7 89, I can hope that the "uniqueness" will factor in when/if I do sell it, but I did not buy this car as an investment. I have already put in the same amount that I paid for it in 2 years of ownership.
The S2s and 968s have a better chance of landing in a car museum or a collection with the points that Tony K made.
As for a 924S becoming 'collectable' how about the 914-6 and how the perceived value of those has risen in the past couple of years.....
06-08-2006, 11:47 PM
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I dont see any reason why these cars wont become collectibles eventually. Of course the turbos will be more but the special models such as the Turbo S and S2 will most likely be the most collectible since they only made very few. I think that for the U.S they only shipped over about 700 something Turbo S's. That has to help some. Since i have been into these cars the value has gone up alot. In 2000 a good to great condition 951 was only 6000 at most now i see some up to 12,000. The S2's Turbo S are really high i have seen some as high as 16,000. But then again i dont know how much the seller is actually getting but you get the idea. Just my opinion
