special tool

I don't keep all my datalogs. I don't bull**** - that's the way it is. I don't put **** on here just to run my mouth like a knucklehead.

unreal_news

As a 3rd party observer...

Geo says that Swain's White Lightning can cut heat throughput by over 50%, so just using that as a comparison for performance (we'll disreguard longengivity for now), what percentage of heat is retained by using DEI or thermotec and special coating?

also, what special coating is needed, is it a hardner for the wrap, or an additional thermal type spray?

thx,
-sd

Mark-87-951

I must have misread. I'll give that a try with the one that has all the heat shield off.

Mark-87-951

Anyone familiar with this company?

http://www.performancecoatings.com/benefitdata.htm

Their data looks interesting and the prices are good. Swain's is great but about twice as much.

Geo

I don't bull**** or run my mouth off either. I've given some hard numbers. What have you got? Have you even tested Swain's White Lightning vs uncoated or are you just assuming everything performs like Jet hot?

What data do you actually have?

Geo

Compared with Swain it will not do much. Most such coatings are off-the-shelf and simply ceramic paint. If you look carefully, you will see they only talk about what kind of temps it can withstand but nothing about any actual reductions in temps. Swain's coating is a true thermal barrier.

Most header companies use this type of coating because it looks pretty and will last longer than paint (which pretty much won't last at all on an uncoated header). Swain's coating can be painted and I did just that with my high output 2 liter SR20DE (Nissan) header. Never had a problem with the paint.

unreal_news

Does anyone think its safe to remove the passenger heat shield if a thermal coating (wrap or swain) is applied to the headers?

thx,
-sd

special tool

I have datalogger RESULTS - not just marketing bull**** put out by the company that anyone can Google search on
I have 150 RPM better spoolup with the wrap.
You guys can listen to me (look at the output of my turbo......), or you can rely on ulta partial fairy-dust magic-coatings company.

M758

I assume that is compared to stock, Have you run swain coated headers?

How does THAT compare to a wrap?

special tool

Of course

Jon Moeller

ST,
Have you run Swain White Lightning coated headers? You have datalogs, great, but you haven't answered that question, yet.

I plan to run Swain coatings on my headers and cross-over, so an answer to that question would be appreciated.
-J

special tool

I got negligible spoolup difference wth only that stuff.
You guys to wrap your headers and use the special DEI or Thermotec coating to retain the most exhaust energy.

unreal_news

Here's a quick question...

how many 50' spools of wrap does it take ot cover the stock exhaust headers?

thanks,
-sd

Geo

Prove it. You say you have datalogger results, but when I questioned you your reply was that you don't have them saved. Do you or don't you? Again, this is Swain White Lightning coated vs wrapped.

Must be the exact same car, header and/or turbo or your data is meaningless.

Just because your turbo puts out doesn't give you credibility in this matter.

special tool

I don't have them saved - I remember the results. I have made THOUSANDS of 944 related datalogs. You don't even have a logger, do you Geo?? Just another Rennlist speculator, I guess.

The difference is HUUUUGE - this topic of arguement is insane. The is no comparison between a DEI fabric wrap with a special spray coating and fairy dust magic coatings.
If you want to keep heat in the pipes - you wrap. Although - it won't be nearly as pretty as those fancy-pants, expensive coatings. So if you want a bling-bling home-boy set of pipes - get the coating.

By the way - to let you guys know how serious I am about REAL information - I have an aviation-grade EGT scanner, that tell me the temp of each individual pipe, or which one is hottest.
Who do you think knows the most about the inside of a 944 engine here????