I'm having some trouble with that as well. If that were crank hp, I'd believe it. But 191 whp translates to roughly 230 crank hp and I'm just not buying that with a stock cam and w/o a custom header.

Unlike most people here, I believe 200 bhp is quite possible on a properly developed street 944, but I choke at 230. Perhaps, but I'm doubtful.

 

So based on your rational a 1986 VW Fox has the same quality / performance as a 944 since they are both German? I guess you were not aware of the fact that Porsche went to Japan years ago to study and find out how they build such quality cars for their low prices (early 90's I think).

I will take a riced out Honduah boy any day over a P-car snob like yourself.

 

There is a guy over here in Norway who insists he can get close to 200HP crank with porting.
200rwhp would mean $$$$ and a car that makes its power high up in the rev range.
Didn't Huntley build a 220HP NA?

 

I tried a couple of chips in my NA. Wilks' chip was the only one that made a difference.
I don't know if it made any more power, but I felt it came sooner and lasted longer.

 

Regard Porsche quality vs. Japanese cars, you don't want to go there. The Japanese cars will win hands down. For crying out loud, the 944 interior was put together with glue and tape. I kid you not.

What these cars excel at is performance engineering and tuning. But not quality. I'm not sure I'd even argue overall engineering, what with too many over engineered parts followed by too many silly things that fail on these cars.

 

While I do not feel that a chip in an N/A is a sure-fire ticket to more horsepower, it does sometimes help out with the drivability. In addition to changing the redline (which enables you to hit 60 while still in second, thus chopping off some 0-60 time), it changes the torque/HP curve ever so slightly and makes the car seem a little more reponsive. I have an autothority chip in mine and while I didn't dyno it, I switched the chip out and back in several times to see if there was a difference. The car seemed to drive better with the aftermarket chip.

DISCLAIMER: This was my personal experience. There are no dyno charts to back this up. Please consult a physician before trying. Do not take with other medication. Occasional side-effects can be experienced, including, but not limited to, diarreah, nasuea, dizziness, anxiety, hives, leprecy, and fits of terrets.

 

I'm still having a hard time with those numbers on a stock cam. The stock cam (US anyway) have essentially no overlap. That's a real hinderance for making power, although it can be done and the head is the place (as with most cars).

Also, be sure the dynos have the correction factors entered in the dyno or the numbers don't mean anything.

 

I gotta agree with you there. The V6 in my Nissan Pathfinder has a 100K mile timing belt service (replacement) interval. No re-tensioning or any crap like that. When I mention to fellow car nuts the timing belt service/replacement intervals on the 944, they look at me like I am mildly retarded. (You know that look, where they **** their head to the side and look at you like they are going to pat you on the head and say "You poor thing, everything OK?")

 

I agree, Goerge. I'd love to have a 200HP NA. I'm waiting on Dyno sheets. Currently he is working on 944 Turbos, but I'm hoping to see dynos from a NA soon.

 

That look has changed to a stern evil eye from Lorelei whenever I mention car parts.

 

I can make anyones N/A put down 200whp on the dyno and its no BS

Just don't expect it to be cheap

 

On a dyno corrected for atmospheric? With an 8v 2.5?

I won't say it cannot be done, but it's a pretty tall order that nobody seems to have been documented to have done.

 

If you're really power hungry:

Keep your NA. Save some money up next, and buy a 930. You won't need to mod a 282 HP car that will make you **** yourself at the first moment you lift off the throtttle in a corner.

 

Hi !

Cam http://www.jmengines.com/index.htm - 12-18 hp
Pulley http://www.lindseyracing.com/Merchan...y_Code=PULLEYS - 7 hp
Exhaust - with no cat : )
FR wilk chip

That's gonna get you near 2000$

 

Yes the parts you mentioned might only cost 2k but having it instaled / doing the work correctly is going to cost a wee bit more then 2k and if the engine could even hadle it without first doing a compleat cheack to make sure everything is working at factory spec is questionable at best.