1997 Boxter vs. 1992 968 cabriolet??
04-05-2005, 06:53 AM
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I've owned 3 968's...2 of them cabs. Loved each one, and I've learned how to manipulate the powerband in the 3 liter. It's not a rocket, but more than enough to get you in trouble. I've driven boxters and was disappointed in the torque down low and the interior, as well as mentioned before, the commoness. Good luck,
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04-05-2005, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Serge944
If you don't mind cheap interior bits here and there, I'd go for the Boxster. Afterall, it is a better car with lower maintenance costs.
Also, try to find a 99+ since they have the 2.7 liter engine and have less quirks.
Good luck.
Also, try to find a 99+ since they have the 2.7 liter engine and have less quirks.
Good luck.
04-05-2005, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SDGuy
I'd probably pick a Boxster too. But I'm not sure if one can assume that the Boxster will have lower maintenance costs. When my 944 was in the shop to have the oil pan gasket changed, there were three Boxsters sitting in there waiting for new engines. The engines are not rebuildable and according to the service advisor, they can go bad suddenly unrelated to mileage, service intervals or usage. Apparently, a rear main seal leak is the only early harbinger that there may be a concentricity problem between the crankshaft and the engine cases. This leads to engine failure. Out of warranty, Porsche has helped to some degree with $$ and they have kept the price of a new crated engine from Germany at "only" about $7k. This has kept the problems quieter than they might have been.
So I guess you can choose your poison - unexpected timing belt failure or engine swap....
So I guess you can choose your poison - unexpected timing belt failure or engine swap....
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04-05-2005, 11:04 AM
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The whole "dropping the engine" thing is enough to keep me out of a Boxster - forever!! I can see buying a cheap, '99, only to have an engine problem that requires $$$ and a removal of the engine!
I like the 87-89 911 idea best of all! Killer car, always a classic, and more reliable!
I like the 87-89 911 idea best of all! Killer car, always a classic, and more reliable!
04-05-2005, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AndyK
I like the 87-89 911 idea best of all! Killer car, always a classic, and more reliable!
Personally, I like the 968 cab. If you can't find a good one, I'd stick to '00 or newer Boxsters.
04-05-2005, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Red1
Comparing a 968 cab to a boxster to an 80's 911 is apples to oranges to peaches.
04-05-2005, 01:35 PM
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No way a three-year-younger Boxster will be signficantly cheaper on Mait. than a properly mait. 968. Boxsters have/will follow the same downward spiral as the 944. Their repair expenses will continually drive their resale prices to the lower segment of the market. The every-day commonality isn't helping either - and tons of them will continue to be around until they reach the point (as the 944 did long ago) that the third or fourth owner can't afford to pay for repairs out of pocket.
There's a reason good 968s have been sitting at 17-23k for quite a long time - they're the finest evolution of the series and they are quite rare. The same goes for the 3.2 911 Cabs.
Micah
There's a reason good 968s have been sitting at 17-23k for quite a long time - they're the finest evolution of the series and they are quite rare. The same goes for the 3.2 911 Cabs.
Micah
04-05-2005, 01:43 PM
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Boxster, 2.7L if you can find fit it in your price range. S would be even better (but wont fit in the range you are looking at).
FWIW, I can drop the engine on a Corvair in less than 1 hour, a 911 in about 90 mins. If you have ever done a clutch on a 951 you know that dropping the engine is the "easy" way. Dont let that dissuade you. I am sure that once you have done it dropping a 986 motor is simple as well.
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FWIW, I can drop the engine on a Corvair in less than 1 hour, a 911 in about 90 mins. If you have ever done a clutch on a 951 you know that dropping the engine is the "easy" way. Dont let that dissuade you. I am sure that once you have done it dropping a 986 motor is simple as well.
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04-05-2005, 02:39 PM
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Routine Boxster maintenance (spark plugs, serpentine belt, air/oil/pollen filters, etc.) can be done without dropping the engine.
As noted above, the 968 Cab would offer more rarity. The Boxster would offer a more modern design. I'd lean toward the 2000-and-up Boxsters to get the 2.7L engine, plus other incremental improvements.
As noted above, the 968 Cab would offer more rarity. The Boxster would offer a more modern design. I'd lean toward the 2000-and-up Boxsters to get the 2.7L engine, plus other incremental improvements.
04-05-2005, 04:07 PM
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A good mechanic will drop the 986 engine in 45 minutes. That's marginal as far as mechanic costs.
The boxster engines are built better - more modern - and don't need oil seals, belts, rollers, etc, etc every fortnight. Then you consider the age of the 968 - balljoints, cv joints, clutch, wheel bearings all come into play.
I just don't see how owning a 968 would be cheaper.
The boxster engines are built better - more modern - and don't need oil seals, belts, rollers, etc, etc every fortnight. Then you consider the age of the 968 - balljoints, cv joints, clutch, wheel bearings all come into play.
I just don't see how owning a 968 would be cheaper.
04-05-2005, 08:08 PM
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I just don't see how owning a 968 would be cheaper.
https://rennlist.com/forums/boxster-and-boxster-s-986-forum/192818-boxster-engines-bad-porsche-wake-up.html
You'd have to mess up pretty badly to do 14k in damage to a 968. Likewise, the Boxsters that are in the same price-range as 968s are going to be only marginally (two or three years) younger. Age-related issues are going to plague both cars and with only a couple of years separating them, PO treatment is going to be a much larger factor.
Micah
https://rennlist.com/forums/boxster-and-boxster-s-986-forum/192818-boxster-engines-bad-porsche-wake-up.html
You'd have to mess up pretty badly to do 14k in damage to a 968. Likewise, the Boxsters that are in the same price-range as 968s are going to be only marginally (two or three years) younger. Age-related issues are going to plague both cars and with only a couple of years separating them, PO treatment is going to be a much larger factor.
Micah
04-05-2005, 09:03 PM
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Well, for what its worth, the lady that was the original owner of my 968 traded it off on a Boxster. Shortly after I picked it up, I got a call from the dealership, wanting to know if I would consider selling the car back to her. She'd had her Boxster for about 5 weeks and HATED it. I declined, as they weren't offering anything reasonable to get me to sell it back.
If its a weekend toy, 968's are great. Boxsters are, too (I happen to like them), but I would definitely go with a 968 myself.
Regards,
If its a weekend toy, 968's are great. Boxsters are, too (I happen to like them), but I would definitely go with a 968 myself.
Regards,
04-06-2005, 01:54 PM
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For the dollars you are looking at, you can get a marginal Boxster or a nice 968... that would make my decision.
I think the finish of the later Boxsters has improved significantly, as Valmet (sp?) has certainly developed experience and Porsche has also gradually improved the materials on the interior and then of course there is the 2.7 liter engine.
But again, looking at equal dollars, I'd say the choice is a nice (Zuffenhausen built!) 968 or a so-so example of an early Boxster.
I think the finish of the later Boxsters has improved significantly, as Valmet (sp?) has certainly developed experience and Porsche has also gradually improved the materials on the interior and then of course there is the 2.7 liter engine.
But again, looking at equal dollars, I'd say the choice is a nice (Zuffenhausen built!) 968 or a so-so example of an early Boxster.
04-06-2005, 02:38 PM
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Just FYI, some Boxsters are built in Zuffenhausen. You can tell the build location by the VIN. Can't recall which digit, but "S" indicates Stuttgart build, while "U" indicates Finland (Uuuuuuuusapunki, or sommething like that).
04-06-2005, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Marks
Boxster will do everything a 968 cab will do, and do it better. especially the 2.7's And, they will be a decade newer with lots of parts available. Anyone priced a 968 cam chain tensioner or oil pump recently? (yikes)
I am not 100% convinced that it will outrun a 968 in a strait line.. They don't look as good and they don't have the resale of the 968.