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Co-worker says the 944 is derived from a volkswagen product, I say no.

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Old 03-26-2005 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark944na86
Are Preludes not Acuras in the States?
Nope, but the RSX is, and the Integra was, and the NSX was, and.....
Old 03-26-2005 | 01:32 AM
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Nope, but the RSX is, and the Integra was, and the NSX was, and.....
Integra! That was what I was I thinking of...

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Old 03-26-2005 | 01:35 AM
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June 14, 1982

Dr. Porsche
invites you to test drive
the newest Porsche.

944

My family, beginning with my father, has been
designing and building cars for over 80 years.

At first, we worked for other companies.
"But always," my father said, "there were too many
compromises."

So we formed Porsche - to build Porsches. To our
family's own standards. Without compromise.

Our very first Porsche was the 356.
Now there is a new Porsche: the 944.
The 944 has a 2.5-liter, 4-cylinder, aluminum-silicon
alloy Porsche engine - designed at Weissach,
and built at Zuffenhausen.

It achieves a maximum torque of 137.1 ft-lbs as early
as 3000 rpm, and produces 143 hp at 5500 rpm.

On the track, the 944 accelerates from 0 to 50 mph
in 5.9 seconds. And it reaches the 1/4-mile mark from a
standing start in only 16.2 seconds at a speed of 84
mph. Its maximum speed: 130 mph.

The 944 has the Porsche transaxle design-proven at
Le Mans, and refined for everyday driving. It produces a
nearly-perfect 50-50 front-to-rear weight distribution
for balanced braking and improved cornering.

The 944's aerodynamic styling reduces air resistance
and improves road holding.

In fact, as a result of its total design efficiency, the 944
requires only 28 hp to cruise at 55 mph.

To my family, the 944 is more than a new car.
It is a new and true Porsche.

At Porsche, excellence is expected.

Dr. F. Porsche
Stuttgart
Old 03-26-2005 | 02:19 AM
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Dont you just hate it when guys start a post then never come back?
Old 03-26-2005 | 02:47 AM
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My boss said the same thing. Then he asked me if he could see the engine, and moved around and stood at the back... No im not kidding. Hes into all the old 32 Fords and stuff... So I take his car opinions with a metric ****ton of salt.
Old 03-26-2005 | 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by theedge
So I take his car opinions with a metric ****ton of salt.
Wow, that sounds like alot of salt
Old 03-26-2005 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by shmucklebuckle
Wow, that sounds like alot of salt
Damn straight
Old 03-26-2005 | 03:48 PM
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Back on top, and ontopic. Here is a Gmund longwindow coupe I saw last summer, finally found the pic.

Damn- cant upload the photo. I'll be right back.
Old 03-26-2005 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Geo
Nope, but the RSX is, and the Integra was, and the NSX was, and.....

Sorry, back OT. the nsx IS.....
Still being made, although we only got about 400 last year.
Pretty common misconception.
Old 03-26-2005 | 04:43 PM
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Notice this tidbit of marketing trickery in the article posted above about the new 944 -- "On the track, the 944 accelerates from 0 to 50 mph in 5.9 seconds." A person reading quickly may easily miss the fact that its not a 0 to 60 time. Smart move on their part
Old 03-26-2005 | 05:04 PM
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Lots of car ads did that in the 70's and early 80's. Very dark days. Interestingly, I had my battery out today and noticed a VW/Audi stamp in the sheetmetal of the battery box (on the fender side). I've certainly noticed VW/Audi symbols on many parts (e.g., the washer tank cap) that I assume were common to other VW/Audi products, but I'd never noticed it on the sheet metal before. Seems odd, although I guess not since the bodies were stamped and built at neckarsulm (an NSU *** VW/Audi plant).
Old 03-29-2005 | 03:50 PM
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Thanks for all the responses, I did learn quite a lot.

I did win the argument with my co-worker (he has retracted his claim), our chassis was never used in a VW production vehicle.

thanks,

Jon
Old 03-29-2005 | 09:17 PM
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Isn't it common knowledge that on the early 944 ('83-'85) the front lower controls arms (and their cheap, easily replaced ball joints) and some parts of the rear suspension were taken unaltered directly from the VW Rabbit?

My take on this is that ALL Porsches are descended from the original VW, including the 911.
Old 03-29-2005 | 09:36 PM
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In the case of the Japanese cars, this would be true. The Lexi are sold as Toys in the rest of the world. The Accuras are Honduhs in the rest of the world. Infinitis are Nissans in the rest of the world (for instance the Infiniti G20 I used to own is known as a Nissan Primera in the rest of the world). But, that is not even the point. The point was "derived from." In the case of the Jags I'm not sure, but I do know the X-type is derived from a Euro Ford product (Mondeo IIRC).
This will no longer be true in about 45 days.

The Toyota National Bank (what the Japanese refer to Toyota as ) is launching the Lexus brand name in Japan. Honda is following suit and it is presumed that Nissan will be behind them by about 1 year. The newest Skyline will launch as an Nissan in Japan but they already have a luxury car du jour ready for their Infiniti line.

X-type is derived from the Mondeo, IIRC and Ford does own Jaguar.

While we are on the subject, the Saab 92X is nothing more than a rebadged WRX with a higher price tag.
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Old 03-29-2005 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JDeitz951
My take on this is that ALL Porsches are descended from the original VW, including the 911.
And if Darwin is anything to sing about, then all modern humans are descended from Australopithecus, including Albert Einstein. So what? There had been so much development of the 944 series by the time the S2 appeared that any relationship to the original 924 is of purely historical interest only. (Note to creationists: yes, we all know evolution is an elaborate hoax. But let's not discuss this in Rennlist -- please!)

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