LS1 conversion kit from Renegade
03-02-2005 | 01:05 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Matt H
I am going to assume that you have not done this. Not only can it be done for less than a conversion it is just as reliable.
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03-02-2005 | 01:22 PM
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Tom, my last car in college was a 1995 Z-28 Camaro with an LG Motorsports 383. I am very familiar. There are plenty of Turbo cars making 400HP that are reliable. The biggest loss is certainly torque. The Camaro would burn out in 4th gear, with little trouble.
At some point I need to ask you some questions about your NSX, my wife has been bugging me for one forever.
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03-02-2005 | 01:43 PM
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I have to concede that if you are taking the car to a reliable, streetable 400 hp, this has to be the easier way to go. While there may be reliable 400 hp turbo cars out there, I suspect very few of them only have 4 cylinders...
03-02-2005 | 02:23 PM
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I REALLY like the new GTO- it is a great car, and I havent even had a chance to drive one yet. I dont even consider them American (look at the interior...)- closer to a Holden then GM. Maybe i should drive one before i make up my mind on a C5 vet...
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Originally Posted by Tom R.
I got my LS1 in december for 20k, they threw in the T56 and a 04 GTO body, recaros, Blau, and a three year bumper to bumper in too.
The '05 GTO is a LS6, 6.0 litres and 400hp, thats 50hp per .75L cylinder. My S2 is 3.0 litres and 208 hp. thats 52hp per .75L cylinder. The LS6 doesnt need timing belts retensioned, cam tensioners replaced, etc. Pretty impressive for a primitive pushrod design. I was surprised how smooth my LS1 revs for a pushrod. I was impressed with the LT1 in the mullet, but this is smoother.
I wonder what the torque figures are for both?
I think the next FUN "bastard" car will be the solstace convertible - after someone stuffs a LS1/6 in it! They are using the same hydroforming technology to form the frame that they use for the Vette.
The '05 GTO is a LS6, 6.0 litres and 400hp, thats 50hp per .75L cylinder. My S2 is 3.0 litres and 208 hp. thats 52hp per .75L cylinder. The LS6 doesnt need timing belts retensioned, cam tensioners replaced, etc. Pretty impressive for a primitive pushrod design. I was surprised how smooth my LS1 revs for a pushrod. I was impressed with the LT1 in the mullet, but this is smoother.
I wonder what the torque figures are for both?
I think the next FUN "bastard" car will be the solstace convertible - after someone stuffs a LS1/6 in it! They are using the same hydroforming technology to form the frame that they use for the Vette.
03-02-2005 | 05:00 PM
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why not a 350hp 4.6L 32-valve dual overhead cam all-aluminum Caddy V8 engine
this guy's putting one in his MR2
http://www.v8mr2.com/
call it a Porschillac...or a Porschalante...or an Eldoporscho !
this guy's putting one in his MR2
http://www.v8mr2.com/
call it a Porschillac...or a Porschalante...or an Eldoporscho !
03-02-2005 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Carson
why not a 350hp 4.6L 32-valve dual overhead cam all-aluminum Caddy V8 engine
this guy's putting one in his MR2
http://www.v8mr2.com/
call it a Porschillac...or a Porschalante...or an Eldoporscho !
this guy's putting one in his MR2
http://www.v8mr2.com/
call it a Porschillac...or a Porschalante...or an Eldoporscho !
I asked why that wasn't put into the GTO so it could go against the BMWs technology wise. possible hood clearance issues because it is OHC was the reply I got from someone in GM, but not at all involved with the GTO.
03-03-2005 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Carson
why not a 350hp 4.6L 32-valve dual overhead cam all-aluminum Caddy V8 engine
That's why Caddy's flagship CTS-V has the pushrod LS-6 motor from the Corvette Z06, and not the fanciest DOCH 32V Northstar. The STS-V will have a Northstar but gets some help from a blower.
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03-03-2005 | 09:55 PM
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I think by the time the dust settles that LS1 conversion will be closer to ten grand, add the price of a decent car with a good LSD and big brakes, and this is not cheap HP by any means.
I have been waiting for this kit, and considering the conversion for a long time and doing the math it just does not make sense. May as well buy a 928 GTS
I have been waiting for this kit, and considering the conversion for a long time and doing the math it just does not make sense. May as well buy a 928 GTS
03-03-2005 | 10:29 PM
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Wallace- er I mean K27, I think you are correct with the 10G figure, if not a bit conservative. However, if you really are after 375-400 hp, I believe this will end up doing the job with more reliabilty and with less hassle (and cost) than a 951 on steroids. As long as the weight and CG are little changed. You certainly will have to start with a 951 since upgrading an NA chassis would just not be cost effective. And that is assuming the 951 drivetrain can handle 375-400 hp with longevity from either motor. As for the 928 GTS, no doubt a nice car but I believe it's in a whole different class weight-wise. If your goal is a bad-*** track toy, I'd take the pumped up 951 (although I admit I've never driven a hot rod 928).
