Considering a Project 944S... UPDATE: Purchased it.
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You will probably be able to pick it up for less than asking, and it may make a neat project if the car is otherwise in great shape. The previous caution about what else the car may have been through if the PO allowed the belt to break is valid, and should be kept in mind. But if you have a nice body/interior etc., than it may be worth a chance.
A gentleman up here is selling a good condition S engine with 90K miles (includes the wiring harness, computer, new clutch) for $3000 asking price (seems open to offers), so even if the engine was badly damaged, there are options (this would be the extreme case). As many have mentioned, you could also opt for a good condition 2 valve engine. But, if it were me, I'd really want to keep it an S...no real good reason...
It does depend on how much of a hobby working on the car is for you. I doubt you will make much money (OK, we know it will cost you more than you can recover in a sale), but if you can do all the work yourself, and the rest of the car justifies it, then go for it! I would offer around $1000 max.
Let us know how it turns out.
Allan
A gentleman up here is selling a good condition S engine with 90K miles (includes the wiring harness, computer, new clutch) for $3000 asking price (seems open to offers), so even if the engine was badly damaged, there are options (this would be the extreme case). As many have mentioned, you could also opt for a good condition 2 valve engine. But, if it were me, I'd really want to keep it an S...no real good reason...
It does depend on how much of a hobby working on the car is for you. I doubt you will make much money (OK, we know it will cost you more than you can recover in a sale), but if you can do all the work yourself, and the rest of the car justifies it, then go for it! I would offer around $1000 max.
Let us know how it turns out.
Allan
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I agree with everyone else. Offer him $750 and see if he bites. It is going to take the right buyer to take that car. Since your willing to do the work yourself, it will keep the $$$ down. Good luck and best wishes - Jay Gratton
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I got my 924S with a blown timing belt for $500. Pretty fair price, IMO. My car wasn't too bad to fix up, but your engine is harder to find parts for. Maybe an engine swap would be a better idea. It can be done though - just took me about 3 months!
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Nothing is more expensive than a cheap Porsche. If you can only afford $1k in parts, run away. Leave it for someone who needs parts or can afford to bring it back to life.
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Originally Posted by patrat
Today I saw a local ad for a 1987 944S that needs a T-belt. Priced at $1500.
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jees. any 944 is worth at least 1000 bucks in parts.
you guys really are cheap, and thats coming from someone who is admittedly cheap.
it will cost what, 3 to fix it? if it has say, 50k miles, and its in perfect condition, whats stopping someone from spending 5-6 on it and another 3 to make it run? crappy condition maybe 2 to buy and another 3 to fix...
bla. this place always undervalues 944's, especially S's. whatever. i mean you can get 200 bucks for the wheels alone
you guys really are cheap, and thats coming from someone who is admittedly cheap.
it will cost what, 3 to fix it? if it has say, 50k miles, and its in perfect condition, whats stopping someone from spending 5-6 on it and another 3 to make it run? crappy condition maybe 2 to buy and another 3 to fix...
bla. this place always undervalues 944's, especially S's. whatever. i mean you can get 200 bucks for the wheels alone
#22
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Check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33617
I agree with Operator here, you guys are being outrageously cheap. I bought my S that needed tons of work for 2500 dollars (which included lots of body damage from a break in and also bad paint) and i spent some time ( and 500 dollars) on it and sold it for 4900 dollars. Geeze, is it the end of the world to rebuild an engine....i dont think so....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33617
I agree with Operator here, you guys are being outrageously cheap. I bought my S that needed tons of work for 2500 dollars (which included lots of body damage from a break in and also bad paint) and i spent some time ( and 500 dollars) on it and sold it for 4900 dollars. Geeze, is it the end of the world to rebuild an engine....i dont think so....
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Originally Posted by Swagger93
I agree with Operator here, you guys are being outrageously cheap.
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Lemme see.. we are discussing sense and sensibility with Watercooled Porsche owners.. ha ha hah.
It's all up to you. I know a LOT of people who wouldnt pay 5 K for a 15 year old car, let alone take on a project that would require 3-5K in work plus my labor.
It's all relative- you want it, get it. The 924S is always at the low dollar end of the spectrum, and I just happen to like them best- so I'm nuts? well probably..
It's all up to you. I know a LOT of people who wouldnt pay 5 K for a 15 year old car, let alone take on a project that would require 3-5K in work plus my labor.
It's all relative- you want it, get it. The 924S is always at the low dollar end of the spectrum, and I just happen to like them best- so I'm nuts? well probably..
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Well, I just got back from checking it out and made an agreement. The car is arriving at my house for $1050, towed. The guy selling it runs a towing company so that was convenient. He bought it off of a customer and was planning to do a renegade hybrids conversion on it; but has too many projects. He seems to have gotten to the point of being ready to purchase the renegade parts; and changed his mind. The car is somewhat dissasembled.
The Good: The engine is already out; should make rebuild easier if I go that route.
The camshafts and chain seem to be in fine condition; although I expect nearly all the valves to be bent (he enthusiasticly told me that both the camshafts and engine turn quite nicely! Doh!)
Seems to be original paint; so at least no major accidents. No visible dents anywhere on it; except for one curious divot in the FR fender that has different color touch up paint/ is below the surrounding surface. Has this car been shot in the fender? Phone dials look to be recently refinished; and have decent rubber on them. Looks like PS rack is recently refurbed. Axles are supposedly new. Suspension passed the bounce test.
The bad: Several signs point to a minor frame tweak; although the seller pseudo-convinced me that it is due to his not taking his time when reassembling. The FR corner of the hood is raised; and the dashboard + console have some gaps/fitment issues. The door panels were hacked up for component speakers. There appears to be a slot for a disabler chip under the dash; which he didnt have. He tried to pawn the slot off as being a diagnostic port; I didnt buy that. Factory alarm with no key. WIndshield cracked. Antenna both in windshield and in rear fender. (again I wonder... has this been wrecked?) No spare tire; well was poorly converted into a sub enclosure.
Right now I am considering it a parts car; unless a VIN report comes back clean; the frame specs dont indicate a crash/tweak; and the engine is rebuildable.
Overall I think I paid about what is was worth.
The Good: The engine is already out; should make rebuild easier if I go that route.
The camshafts and chain seem to be in fine condition; although I expect nearly all the valves to be bent (he enthusiasticly told me that both the camshafts and engine turn quite nicely! Doh!)
Seems to be original paint; so at least no major accidents. No visible dents anywhere on it; except for one curious divot in the FR fender that has different color touch up paint/ is below the surrounding surface. Has this car been shot in the fender? Phone dials look to be recently refinished; and have decent rubber on them. Looks like PS rack is recently refurbed. Axles are supposedly new. Suspension passed the bounce test.
The bad: Several signs point to a minor frame tweak; although the seller pseudo-convinced me that it is due to his not taking his time when reassembling. The FR corner of the hood is raised; and the dashboard + console have some gaps/fitment issues. The door panels were hacked up for component speakers. There appears to be a slot for a disabler chip under the dash; which he didnt have. He tried to pawn the slot off as being a diagnostic port; I didnt buy that. Factory alarm with no key. WIndshield cracked. Antenna both in windshield and in rear fender. (again I wonder... has this been wrecked?) No spare tire; well was poorly converted into a sub enclosure.
Right now I am considering it a parts car; unless a VIN report comes back clean; the frame specs dont indicate a crash/tweak; and the engine is rebuildable.
Overall I think I paid about what is was worth.
#29
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Originally Posted by Chris_924s
It's all up to you. I know a LOT of people who wouldnt pay 5 K for a 15 year old car, let alone take on a project that would require 3-5K in work plus my labor.
Good luck with that S! If i still had mine I'd be calling you up with an extensive list of parts I could use.
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I meant "Other people" - Not those on the "enthusiast" boards.
I excluded Collectors, investors and enthusiasts in that statement, as we are a thin herd. I was referring to the general US automobile consumer- look into any SUV my dear..I actually know people who DONT drive a Porsche.
I excluded Collectors, investors and enthusiasts in that statement, as we are a thin herd. I was referring to the general US automobile consumer- look into any SUV my dear..I actually know people who DONT drive a Porsche.