Costco would not sell me HR rated tires for my 924s
07-07-2004, 01:38 PM
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Kevin, no safety inspection in IL, but it has been a couple years since I had cars titled there. Just the emissions, which I think were every two years. I don't remember exactly so someone in IL can chime in and clarify.
I was going back and forth from MN to IL since 1988 and used to keep all the vehicles titled in IL as they had a flat $49 a year license fee. MN had a value based system and it was pretty easy for the license fee to be many hundreds of dollars, even a grand as I recall on one car. So, I would get these inspection notices and if the car was up in MN I sure didn't want to drive it back down just for an emission test. I would just get waivers all the time.
Where you are a resident and where you title the car do not have to be in the same state, especially if the car is physically in another state. For awhile there, I had a Guam driver's license, MN primary residence and IL titles and plates on the cars. This was actually pretty good for speeding tickets. By the time I got done explaining everything to the trooper he would be so confused or bemused he would just tell me to slow down and go away. I haven't had a ticket since the '80s.
I was going back and forth from MN to IL since 1988 and used to keep all the vehicles titled in IL as they had a flat $49 a year license fee. MN had a value based system and it was pretty easy for the license fee to be many hundreds of dollars, even a grand as I recall on one car. So, I would get these inspection notices and if the car was up in MN I sure didn't want to drive it back down just for an emission test. I would just get waivers all the time.
Where you are a resident and where you title the car do not have to be in the same state, especially if the car is physically in another state. For awhile there, I had a Guam driver's license, MN primary residence and IL titles and plates on the cars. This was actually pretty good for speeding tickets. By the time I got done explaining everything to the trooper he would be so confused or bemused he would just tell me to slow down and go away. I haven't had a ticket since the '80s.
07-07-2004, 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by UDPride
How in the hell can they not sell you the tires. They are for sale arent they? What if you wanted to buy them to make a playground set out of. Would they still refuse to sell them to you? "The Michelins are by far the better tire for playgrounds. Better compound. Kids will enjoy the ZR rating."
If they are going to start refusing sale on items why dont they start refusing to sell 100-paks of Twizzlers and Mr Goodbars to the people who could stand a little more fruit in their diet.
How in the hell can they not sell you the tires. They are for sale arent they? What if you wanted to buy them to make a playground set out of. Would they still refuse to sell them to you? "The Michelins are by far the better tire for playgrounds. Better compound. Kids will enjoy the ZR rating."
If they are going to start refusing sale on items why dont they start refusing to sell 100-paks of Twizzlers and Mr Goodbars to the people who could stand a little more fruit in their diet.
Is 130 a little optimistic for a 924? I'm not being critical I just thought they topped out around 120 or so.
07-07-2004, 02:00 PM
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i worked in the sams tire shop! we werent supposed to sell lesser rated tires to customers(members) because if the car is in a wreck. the car company can blame it on the lesser rated tires. we WERE allowed to sell the tires by letting this person know this, and by writing it down on the work order. i believe michelins are amazing. super smooth ride in all the ones ive had, and never take a lot of weight to balance: meaning they are made to closer tolerances. sams matches prices too, but its usually hard to get them to do it. the managers will hound you and let you know that our price includes lifetime balance and rotation and also a warranty thats almost unlimited. thats basically all i have to say. maybe go back to them and let them know you know that its considered unsafe to mount those tires on that specific vehicle.
07-07-2004, 02:02 PM
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Well, guys, they can refuse to sell you a product in the USA as long as they are not violating some law like civil rights.
If they sell you product they know is unfit for the intended use they can get sued. If a restaurant requires shoes and a shirt you get no service if you don't have them on. If I don't like your attitude I can refuse to sell you a headlight package due to various reasons, the most likely of which would be that you would cause all sorts of headaches down the road. You get the picture.
If they sell you product they know is unfit for the intended use they can get sued. If a restaurant requires shoes and a shirt you get no service if you don't have them on. If I don't like your attitude I can refuse to sell you a headlight package due to various reasons, the most likely of which would be that you would cause all sorts of headaches down the road. You get the picture.
07-07-2004, 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by 89magic98
I have used Tire Rack. Shipping is cheap, no sales tax, but they take a long time to get the tires to you (about a week, because they call you back 1-2 days later to make sure you are not using a stolen credit card).
I have used Tire Rack. Shipping is cheap, no sales tax, but they take a long time to get the tires to you (about a week, because they call you back 1-2 days later to make sure you are not using a stolen credit card).
07-07-2004, 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by yieldsign2
Email this guy.. i had asked if he woudl still have some over the summer, he said yes. I've read good reviews on these.
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Email this guy.. i had asked if he woudl still have some over the summer, he said yes. I've read good reviews on these.
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07-07-2004, 03:41 PM
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I had the same problem with both Costco and BJ's. What you do is take them the wheels ONLY. If you bring in the whole car they are liable if the tires fail because they didn't install the "correct" tires for that car. If you only have the rims/wheels with you there is no way for them to know what car you have and they just put it in their records that the customer brought in "loose wheels for remounting" and they are off the hook.
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
07-07-2004, 03:50 PM
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Ask them if they will sell you a snow tire. When they say yes, tell them that you want an all-season tire, but you promise to drive it only in the snow. How many lawyers per capita are there in the U.S anyway?
07-07-2004, 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by smokey
Ask them if they will sell you a snow tire. When they say yes, tell them that you want an all-season tire, but you promise to drive it only in the snow. How many lawyers per capita are there in the U.S anyway?
Ask them if they will sell you a snow tire. When they say yes, tell them that you want an all-season tire, but you promise to drive it only in the snow. How many lawyers per capita are there in the U.S anyway?
07-07-2004, 05:01 PM
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The ironic thing is that I have H-rated tires mounted on the car right now. I had completely forgotten. (The old Pirelli P6's were VR, but the P600's were only available as HR).
I think the owner's manual states a top speed of 134MPH, if I remember correctly.
Thanks for the information on the IL licensing procedures. Seems like they are just like California.
It would be funny to bring the car to the Costco parking lot, put it on jackstands, then bring in the tires to him.
I think the owner's manual states a top speed of 134MPH, if I remember correctly.
Thanks for the information on the IL licensing procedures. Seems like they are just like California.
It would be funny to bring the car to the Costco parking lot, put it on jackstands, then bring in the tires to him.
07-07-2004, 05:16 PM
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thats an awful lot of trouble. one would think they would still lifetime balance them, but they just don't want to be liable due to the legal implications of selling him a tire that is below what is specified for the car.
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07-07-2004, 05:24 PM
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Actually... wait a sec... I remember when i was getting tires for my cressida back in the day, I was waiting in line behind this older japanese guy who had a newspaper in his hand that wanted H or HR (i forget) rated tires for his LS400. The servie guy keep trying to tell him that they were not the right tires for his car and that it would really lower the ride quality as it was a lexus. The japanese guy didn't know any better and kept pointing to an ad saying he wanted that price, and that they shouldn't advertise that price if he couldn't get that tire. Eventually the manager came out and said he can legally buy whatever tire he wanted so long as he signed a release of liability saying he heard the recommendation of costco experts and still wanted something different. After he signed it (20min later, while i was getting anxious) they went ahead and sold him the tires.
You should just tell the guy your a porsche mechanic and that you've been working on these cars for years, but since you don't have any mounting and balancing equipment at your shop, and your not connected to tire vendors, that this waas the most realistic way for you to get a good warranty at a good price. Maybe they'll let you sign something.
You should just tell the guy your a porsche mechanic and that you've been working on these cars for years, but since you don't have any mounting and balancing equipment at your shop, and your not connected to tire vendors, that this waas the most realistic way for you to get a good warranty at a good price. Maybe they'll let you sign something.
07-07-2004, 08:50 PM
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Anyway, the salesperson will not sell me this tire. He only wants to sell me a VR rated tire, for which there is only one choice (at $146 a tire):
Yep, they probably have a program in place where they will not go lower than the specified SR from the manufacturer. It is not only 100% legal but extremely adviseable. People LIKE to sue tire manufacturers!
"Michelin® Energy MXV4+ P195/65VR15 Luxury Touring"
Piece of junk for a sports car, it is an OE tire for Mercedes.
He states that "generally" a VR rated tire is a softer compound, so it would perform better on my "high performance" car. I thought the treadwear rating is the indicator of how hard a tire compound is.
1) He is right. V rated tires will generally have a softer compound. They also have sidewall stiffeners, full body cap plys, etc.
2) You are wrong. I will AGAIN post what UTQG means in the morning. Treadware CANNOT be used to judge tires against each other.
Using his logic, could he sell me snow tires? They don't perform well on dry pavement, either.
Actually, yes he could refuse to sell you H rated snow tires.
The OEM tire was VR-rated. I don't think an HR-rated tire existed in 1987.
Yes it did but it was not specced for the car.
1) Chain stores/shops are all stupid. When I got a nail on the corner of the tire and had to replace it in a hurry, Discount Tire would not mount a 225/50/15 on my rear 15" Fuch because the measured width of the "15x8" rear fuch is actually about 9", and they would not mount a 225/50/15 on a 9" wheel . . . puh-leeze . . .
No they arent, you just got a dumbass. Further, he didnt know how to measure a wheel
They basically have "leftover" tires from old designs/molds.
100% untrue, please dont make accusations like that without knowledge.
I bought Bridgestone Potenza RE930 tires for my 83 944 back in 1998 for $71 per tire from TIRE RACK. That was when the 930 series was a CURRENT tire; it has been dropped from Bridgestone's lineup for some time.
RE930 and RE930i are NOT the same
How in the hell can they not sell you the tires.
Because the car called for higher speed rating tires, that is how.
I'm stunned. God help this guy if it were me he were refusing. He'd wish he never met me.
If you got like that with me it would be YOU who wished they'd never met me as I had you escorted away from the store in handcuffs. There are legal ramifications for them, which none of you understand. If you knew how much they accrued each year for people suing them maybe you would.
we WERE allowed to sell the tires by letting this person know this, and by writing it down on the work order.
Eventually the manager came out and said he can legally buy whatever tire he wanted so long as he signed a release of liability saying he heard the recommendation of costco experts and still wanted something different.
You are NOT released from your obligations as the seller by having someone sign a waiver, in fact it is the opposite. You just had them sign that you know what you are doing is wrong!
PM me and I will take are of you. I dont work for COSTCO but they are a large client, there are other ways to get lifetime services and a good price.
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Yep, they probably have a program in place where they will not go lower than the specified SR from the manufacturer. It is not only 100% legal but extremely adviseable. People LIKE to sue tire manufacturers!
"Michelin® Energy MXV4+ P195/65VR15 Luxury Touring"
Piece of junk for a sports car, it is an OE tire for Mercedes.
He states that "generally" a VR rated tire is a softer compound, so it would perform better on my "high performance" car. I thought the treadwear rating is the indicator of how hard a tire compound is.
1) He is right. V rated tires will generally have a softer compound. They also have sidewall stiffeners, full body cap plys, etc.
2) You are wrong. I will AGAIN post what UTQG means in the morning. Treadware CANNOT be used to judge tires against each other.
Using his logic, could he sell me snow tires? They don't perform well on dry pavement, either.
Actually, yes he could refuse to sell you H rated snow tires.
The OEM tire was VR-rated. I don't think an HR-rated tire existed in 1987.
Yes it did but it was not specced for the car.
1) Chain stores/shops are all stupid. When I got a nail on the corner of the tire and had to replace it in a hurry, Discount Tire would not mount a 225/50/15 on my rear 15" Fuch because the measured width of the "15x8" rear fuch is actually about 9", and they would not mount a 225/50/15 on a 9" wheel . . . puh-leeze . . .
No they arent, you just got a dumbass. Further, he didnt know how to measure a wheel
They basically have "leftover" tires from old designs/molds.
100% untrue, please dont make accusations like that without knowledge.
I bought Bridgestone Potenza RE930 tires for my 83 944 back in 1998 for $71 per tire from TIRE RACK. That was when the 930 series was a CURRENT tire; it has been dropped from Bridgestone's lineup for some time.
RE930 and RE930i are NOT the same
How in the hell can they not sell you the tires.
Because the car called for higher speed rating tires, that is how.
I'm stunned. God help this guy if it were me he were refusing. He'd wish he never met me.
If you got like that with me it would be YOU who wished they'd never met me as I had you escorted away from the store in handcuffs. There are legal ramifications for them, which none of you understand. If you knew how much they accrued each year for people suing them maybe you would.
we WERE allowed to sell the tires by letting this person know this, and by writing it down on the work order.
Eventually the manager came out and said he can legally buy whatever tire he wanted so long as he signed a release of liability saying he heard the recommendation of costco experts and still wanted something different.
You are NOT released from your obligations as the seller by having someone sign a waiver, in fact it is the opposite. You just had them sign that you know what you are doing is wrong!
PM me and I will take are of you. I dont work for COSTCO but they are a large client, there are other ways to get lifetime services and a good price.
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