1983 944 transient stumbling on start
#1
1983 944 transient stumbling on start
A new issue has recently appeared. The engine starts as usual when cold (cold as in 80 deg LA), but then stumbles for maybe 10-20 seconds and clears up. It does not happen every time, and seems unrelated to the engine temperature. On one occasion, I drove to a store, shopped a while and then came out to start and the problem appeared although the engine was still pretty warm. The fact that it clears up so quickly upon a cold start does not seem like anything to do with a faulty DME temperature sensor; I don't think the temperature changes that much in 20 seconds, but maybe I am wrong about this.
What about a leaky hydraulic lifter that leaks down upon standing a while and takes a few seconds to pump up?
Any ideas would be appreciated
Thanks!
Wayne
What about a leaky hydraulic lifter that leaks down upon standing a while and takes a few seconds to pump up?
Any ideas would be appreciated
Thanks!
Wayne
#2
A lifter would tick loudly but the jug would still fire OK, a little less valve lift but plenty overall.
Shut it down fast when it's starting to stumble, whip out the spark plugs and see if any are wet with fuel or coolant or the like. And observe the general condition.
Might be chewing on extra fuel from a leaking injector, FPR or damper. Pull the vacuum lines from the FPR and damper, run scrap line to some empty soda cans or the like and crank it for a few seconds. See if fuel comes out. This is not definitive, as they could still leak under vacuum. If you have a hand vacuum pump you can check with that.
Shut it down fast when it's starting to stumble, whip out the spark plugs and see if any are wet with fuel or coolant or the like. And observe the general condition.
Might be chewing on extra fuel from a leaking injector, FPR or damper. Pull the vacuum lines from the FPR and damper, run scrap line to some empty soda cans or the like and crank it for a few seconds. See if fuel comes out. This is not definitive, as they could still leak under vacuum. If you have a hand vacuum pump you can check with that.
#5
Since it happens at start and lasts for only a seconds and then runs beautifully, I don't think it could be anything like rotor, cap, etc. These problems would affect running all the time. On the other hand, the FPR could be the culprit, as suggested above. As far as I understand, it is a simple vacuum operated valve, and if it was "sticky" it might cause an over rich condition for a short time until it opens?
Jfrahm, I have a hand vacuum pump and will play around a little tonight. I also have a new FPR that is easy to drop in.
Thanks Guys, I will let you know how this turns out.
Wayne
Jfrahm, I have a hand vacuum pump and will play around a little tonight. I also have a new FPR that is easy to drop in.
Thanks Guys, I will let you know how this turns out.
Wayne
#7
The vacuum lines to the FPR and the damper dont have fuel in them. Just before the problem began, the car sat for a couple of weeks (maybe 3) without being started. I have been driving it daily, and the frequency of occurrence seems to be decreasing.
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#8
Do you have any updates here? My 944 (happens to also be 1983) is experiencing the same issue, sometimes at cold start the engine RPMs will shudder between 400 and 600 RPM for a bit and then the issue will disappear after less than a minute and the car will idle normally
#10
Rough cold idle are most commonly caused by a faulty DME temp sensor, but if its temporary not sure. As Jfrahm mentioned, it could be fuel related as well (fuel pressure test recommended).
Here are some suggestions:
https://www.clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/ts-01.htm
Here are some suggestions:
https://www.clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/ts-01.htm
#11
Still working on the problem. I am stalled until I replace the thermal fan switch which just died on me. I will be back on it next week. I am betting on something related to the fuel pressure regulator.
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